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re: Let's Discuss if Mark Ingram hits free agency this year
Posted on 12/7/17 at 11:41 am to tzimme4
Posted on 12/7/17 at 11:41 am to tzimme4
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That's it let's decide who's all-pro in Week 13. Smart
Since no one in this topic is talking about "what if" situations huh?
People talking about sports, especially those involved with sports talk radio, never talk about the current situations rather than the unknown future...
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Posted on 12/7/17 at 12:09 pm to 25 Point Lead
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I wouldn't argue that Ingram was a top 5 back in 2015 or 2016. I'd argue he's top 3 this season.
That is the exact point I have been saying.
I have repeated it multiple times.
We agree on it.
We disagree on what being a top 5 back "for the past 2-3 years" technically means. It is what it is.
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What argument have I made? That's literally been my argument....
You literally asked me to make an argument for David Johnson. I responded with stats. You disagreed. All good. The counter "argument" you made was that I should not rank David Johnson ahead of Mark Ingram because he had 1 elite season. I do not understand the logic here...
Posted on 12/7/17 at 12:16 pm to Kennerkarl
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We disagree on what being a top 5 back "for the past 2-3 years" technically means. It is what it is.
These are your backs you've named.
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bell, gurley, mccoy, freeman, d johnson. Not counting zeke or jordan howard who were not in the league yet in 2015.
Here is there inarguable production:
> You'd be an idiot to argue Ingram has not been a top 5 back the past 2/3 years.
Posted on 12/7/17 at 12:19 pm to Chad504boy
This is basically off-topic, since the thread now seems to be about how many other backs have had better seasons recently, but-
again, I go back to my Elway Superbowl teams comparison.
Brees is plenty good enough to play to damn near 50 and compete for Superbowls, IF he runs this type of team: dominant offensive line, great running game, sure-handed receivers who can catch in traffic, defense that limits other team's offense.
We have ALL that in place now. Can someone else replace Ingram? PROBABLY, but not definitely... Ingram is beginning to look like the Heisman back we drafted. Marshawn Lynch-type runs, punishing guys in the 4th quarter. Like some folks noted, he has less carries than other guys his age, and sharing with Kamara, those touches will stay in a reasonable, not overworked range. And the amount of touches split between he and Kamara are working for both backs, nobody is getting frustrated about being taken out.
What's the overall salary cap for each season... is it worth saving 1 or 2 mil a year to change that up and experiment, when you seem to have hit the jackpot with this combo? I say NO.
Pay the man what he's worth, and keep the core of this team together.
again, I go back to my Elway Superbowl teams comparison.
Brees is plenty good enough to play to damn near 50 and compete for Superbowls, IF he runs this type of team: dominant offensive line, great running game, sure-handed receivers who can catch in traffic, defense that limits other team's offense.
We have ALL that in place now. Can someone else replace Ingram? PROBABLY, but not definitely... Ingram is beginning to look like the Heisman back we drafted. Marshawn Lynch-type runs, punishing guys in the 4th quarter. Like some folks noted, he has less carries than other guys his age, and sharing with Kamara, those touches will stay in a reasonable, not overworked range. And the amount of touches split between he and Kamara are working for both backs, nobody is getting frustrated about being taken out.
What's the overall salary cap for each season... is it worth saving 1 or 2 mil a year to change that up and experiment, when you seem to have hit the jackpot with this combo? I say NO.
Pay the man what he's worth, and keep the core of this team together.
Posted on 12/7/17 at 12:22 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
Great point about fleener.
They need to keep this duo together another 2-3 years at the very least. Drew needs to sacrifice money so we can afford more talent around him.
They need to keep this duo together another 2-3 years at the very least. Drew needs to sacrifice money so we can afford more talent around him.
Posted on 12/7/17 at 12:24 pm to 25 Point Lead
You really need an argument for David Johnson ahead of Ingram? Wut?
How quickly we forget
How quickly we forget
Posted on 12/7/17 at 12:27 pm to CocoLoco
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You really need an argument for David Johnson ahead of Ingram? Wut?
How quickly we forget
he was a horse one year and got the volume touches. nearly 300 rushes and 80 receptions. Very productive year but 4.2 ypc ain't much to hang your hat on neither.
Posted on 12/7/17 at 12:51 pm to Chad504boy
You say "inarguable" then post three stats that support your claim while omitting TDs and total yards.
Got it.
Got it.
Posted on 12/7/17 at 12:58 pm to Kennerkarl
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Got it.
Yeah, they are kind of the most important stats of a rb. Ingram has 979 receiving yards past 3 years, ain't shabby and he really has seldom been used as our 3rd down back and doesn't have near the volume of touches as other backs.
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Posted on 12/7/17 at 1:55 pm to CocoLoco
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You really need an argument for David Johnson ahead of Ingram? Wut?
How quickly we forget
I don't forget. He's an incredible player.
But the best ability is availability. He had 1 outstanding year at this point in his short career. I haven't said I'd take Ingram over Johnson
Posted on 12/7/17 at 1:56 pm to Chad504boy
At this point, Im not sure if y'all are being serious, or saying dumb / homerish comments on purpose (a la PFTcommentor) ; and I am the butt of the joke for responding seriously.
Posted on 12/7/17 at 2:07 pm to Kennerkarl
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We disagree on what being a top 5 back "for the past 2-3 years" technically means. It is what it is.
So your confusion is that you don't think the past 2-3 years actually includes the past year? 2017 was literally in the post you replied to when you listed your top 5
He clarified it for you immediately too. That's literally why you were accused of moving the goal posts, b/c you moved the goal post to exclude this past year....
Since you have repeatedly ignored it, I will ask again:
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List 5 better from 2015-2017. Actually answer the question to the debate you're having if you want to actually have a discussion.
Too hard for you I guess. Done.
This post was edited on 12/7/17 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 12/7/17 at 2:43 pm to 25 Point Lead
Okay.
Please answer this exact question and without "moving the goal posts".
Two years ago from this very moment, did you (or anyone for that matter) consider Mark Ingram a top 5 Nfl running back??
Not posting the same 5 names for the 4th time boss. We disagree on one of the five players even after I posted stats. No need to beat a dead horse.
Please answer this exact question and without "moving the goal posts".
Two years ago from this very moment, did you (or anyone for that matter) consider Mark Ingram a top 5 Nfl running back??
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List 5 better from 2015-2017. Actually answer the question to the debate you're having if you want to actually have a discussion.
Not posting the same 5 names for the 4th time boss. We disagree on one of the five players even after I posted stats. No need to beat a dead horse.
This post was edited on 12/7/17 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 12/7/17 at 2:45 pm to Kennerkarl
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Okay.
You still didn't answer the question
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Two years ago from this very moment, did you (or anyone for that matter) consider Mark Ingram a top 5 Nfl running back??
No, I did not.
You do understand this discussion covers a 2-3 year window, not a single season? From 2015-today, he has performed as a top 5 back. From 2016-today, he has absolutely performed as a top 5 back
How is this hard to grasp? That's you moving the goal posts
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List 5 better from 2015-2017. Actually answer the question to the debate you're having if you want to actually have a discussion.
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Please answer this exact question and without "moving the goal posts".
This post was edited on 12/7/17 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 12/7/17 at 2:54 pm to 25 Point Lead
I editted my last post before I saw this response.
No. I dont. As I have tried to explain to you we are interpreting the OP that Ingram has been a top 5 back for the past 2 or 3 years differently. Do you grasp that?
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You do understand it covers a 2-3 year window, not a single season?
No. I dont. As I have tried to explain to you we are interpreting the OP that Ingram has been a top 5 back for the past 2 or 3 years differently. Do you grasp that?
Posted on 12/7/17 at 3:03 pm to Kennerkarl
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No. I dont. As I have tried to explain to you we are interpreting the OP that Ingram has been a top 5 back for the past 2 or 3 years differently. Do you grasp that?
Do I grasp the thing I've addressed repeatedly? It's been clarified 1,000x that the OP and this discussion includes 2017.
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Not posting the same 5 names for the 4th time boss. We disagree on one of the five players even after I posted stats. No need to beat a dead horse.
Do you grasp this:
Me:
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List 5 better from 2015-2017.
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I already gave my opinion on who was better 2015-2016
So are you saying your top 5 doesn't change accounting 2017?
Read 3x: I'm asking you to actually include 2017, despite originally not knowing that the past year is included in the past 2 years
This post was edited on 12/7/17 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 12/7/17 at 3:32 pm to 25 Point Lead
If you combine stats from 2015 -2017 ;Mark Ingram ranks in the top 5. That is mainly becasue of THIS SEASON. Not because of the previous 2 seasons when he was not ranked as top 5 back by anyone or any statistical measure.
Saying Ingram has been a top 5 back for 2-3 years is a false dumb unnecessary statement. Get over it.
Saying Ingram has been a top 5 back for 2-3 years is a false dumb unnecessary statement. Get over it.
Posted on 12/7/17 at 3:34 pm to theicebox
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but let him walk.
Just no
Posted on 12/7/17 at 3:35 pm to Kennerkarl
You dumb son.
Posted on 12/7/17 at 3:35 pm to Kennerkarl
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If you combine stats from 2015 -2017 ;Mark Ingram ranks in the top 5. That is mainly becasue of THIS SEASON. Not because of the previous 2 seasons when he was not ranked as top 5 back by anyone or any statistical measure.
Saying Ingram has been a top 5 back for 2-3 years is a false dumb unnecessary statement. Get over it.
You're giving Kenner a bad rep and that's saying something.
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