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re: Notice how the Neo prog filth narrative is shifting off guns? GEOTUS responds

Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:47 pm to
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:47 pm to
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I told you I'm not arguing with you tonight.
I was just explaining my views and why I hold my position, and it's probably a basis for many of our arguments.
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And I didn't read that book you wrote.
My ability to be succinct has some major deficits.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 10:54 pm to
I love slurs off all kinds, roundeye
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:25 pm to
You and me both .
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
24633 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:33 pm to
Lol you really think this is him? The person who literally examines throat wrinkles to verify conspiracies can’t see that these are 2 completely different people?
Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
13457 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:46 pm to
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don't know exactly what he was. But I will guarantee you 2 things he wasn't. 1- he was not a Christian. 2- he was not a Trump voter. If he was, the media would have been shoving that shite down our throats nonstop for the last 48hrs. It is all pointing to exactly where we all first thought it would


Jesus....who fricking cares. You guys are combing through a fricking tragedy looking for any shred of this guy being "liberal." Bunch of pansies. You guys are very weak men
Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
13457 posts
Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:51 pm to
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that sumbitch had a confederate flag in his house some MSM would have broken through the police tape at his house and go live from his living room.


So in the middle of tragic event It's always important to you to talk about what would have happened in the mainstream media? Don't you think that's a little obsessive and possibly hunting for a narrative?
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 11:55 pm to
They had the wrong person pinned and found look a likes at vagina hat rallies then turn around and say “IF THERE WAS A SHRED OF ANYTHING MAGA THEYD HAVE BROUGHT IT TO LIGHT ASAP”
Posted by Ebbandflow
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:00 am to
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They had the wrong person pinned and found look a likes at vagina hat rallies then turn around and say “IF THERE WAS A SHRED OF ANYTHING MAGA THEYD HAVE BROUGHT IT TO LIGHT ASAP”


Hypocrites! Hypocrites everywhere
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35242 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:01 am to
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No. In other words Trump has talked to the LEO and FBI people and knows exactly what they have. Hence his comment "You'll find out soon."
Well yes. I figured he had the information, or was confident it was coming shortly.
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I bet they are putting the final touches on their investigation into his motives and we'll know more by the end of the week. I suspect they just need to finish up inspecting his computers/phones.
Agreed.
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Since there is no one to charge with a crime, they can leak out what they learn as soon as they please. No need to wait years on a trial before everything goes public.
Agreed again.

My issue is that I have no idea what any of this has to do with the "Neo prog filth narrative is shifting off the guns." In fact I don't even know if the narrative is shifting anyways. Regardless, what does Trump's statement have to do with that?
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:05 am to
Im interested to see the shape shift if it’s “he snapped”. Do you think they’ll let it die off and move onto saying Hillary still isn’t president, or do you think they’ll double down that they’re being lied to and it’s muslims or a liberal anyways.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35242 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:17 am to
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Jesus....who fricking cares. You guys are combing through a fricking tragedy looking for any shred of this guy being "liberal." Bunch of pansies. You guys are very weak men
While I think wanting him to be on "the other side" is ridiculous, I do think it's a pretty natural tendency.

If he is on a "side," and there is evidence to support that, then the investigation will discover thus, and we will all find out soon enough. So what I don't understand is that since we don't have near enough information to determine this in the meantime, why is there some incessant need to confidently conclude that he's one the other side?

Anyone who is thinking rationally will know it's an unsupported conclusion regardless, but whether right or wrong, we are going to find out anyways so why not wait until then?

It's one thing to just speculate, but I sense many are uncomfortable with the ambiguity (actually a correlate of conservatism) and wait, and they are doing this to ease that uncomfortablness.

But since it's predominately one sided, and I don't see many who are saying that it's not possible, they be able to use that as a gotcha if the investigation supports it, but it will be easy to use it as a gotcha against them if it doesn't.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35242 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:23 am to
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Do you think they’ll let it die off and move onto saying Hillary still isn’t president, or do you think they’ll double down that they’re being lied to and it’s muslims or a liberal anyways.
All of the above. Given the size of the group, there will invariably be someone who uses each one of the deflections, although the "Hillary still isn't president," is the most ridiculous. It's usually a good sign that the person can't even provide a poor counter-argument.
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
24633 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:23 am to
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Anyone who is thinking rationally will know it's an unsupported conclusion regardless


I think here’s where the hang up is. Places like this and DU aren’t gonna have too many rational people. The loudest are usually the dumbest. Bamarep has a thread doubling down that this was 100% a liberal or a Muslim. The issue is that if it’s neither he still doesn’t have any accountability here. Normal public forums you lose credibility when you’re wrong time after time, but here as long as you have a certain mind set you can keep coming back. And applauded.

Edit- that’s not to say something can’t come out tomorrow and it be some sort of liberal guy or a Muslim influence. He’d be given his upvote cookies and would probably rub it in anyone’s face that said “wait and see” or “stop jumping to conclusions”. Most places in reality where you’re wrong enough, you don’t get listened to anymore. Let alone praised time after time.
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 12:27 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:34 am to
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You seem to be talking about the Antifa assholes. I call them anarchists. They are in a group all their own.


But the right has to own Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists, right? "Just because"? Or have I misread you?
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35242 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:48 am to
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Places like this and DU aren’t gonna have too many rational people.
Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I think there are more than it appears here. Of course, many of them don't post as often, or at all, anymore, but I would like to think they're present.

I'm addition, I think many of the posters who are irrational, actually know what the rational conclusion is, they just get caught up in the contagion or get reinforced for it.
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Bamarep has a thread doubling down that this was 100% a liberal or a Muslim.
And I think he may be a good example. I don't know if he's "rational," but I think he's more rational than his posting suggests. His "dear liberals" threads are what I find telling. I think he has to know he's not actually posting to liberals, but instead posting to those who share his views, so he enjoys the overwhelming support of the chamber.
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The issue is that if it’s neither he still doesn’t have any accountability here.
That's always a problem, but there are lines. Clearly, cptbengal's shtick either goes too far or has run it's course. And I found it almost surprising how universal the views of KCT in many of the threads. Of course, judging my the up votes to the whether I'm a "troll or retarded" and the response that said "both," I'm wondering if there is a universal view about me too.
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but here as long as you have a certain mind set you can keep coming back
Yeah. But the one thing that I take solace in, is that this is less frequent in policy and issue based threads, climate change aside. It's far more prevalent in the threads that are pretty much "identity politics" or about a specific political figure. Problem is that the policy and issue threads are far less common (so they seem) since the Trump phenomenon. I had hoped it would diminish post-election, but it seems just as prevalent and of course I'm guilty of contributing to its existence so I can't say too much.

The thing that does bother me the most though, which was evident in the Mark Dice "MSM is ignoring Tennessee shooting," is that facts counter to the Chamber's belief often seem to be just as ridiculed, unaccepted, and dismissed as opinions. When facts no longer matter so much as they support some view, then I think we've identified the problem in politics.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35242 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:58 am to
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But the right has to own Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists, right? "Just because"? Or have I misread you?
No they shouldn't, at all. And those on the left who generalize them to the group should be immediately and strongly criticized.

In this case though, part of that criticism has to be put on some on the right. There were far more than I would have ever expected here, to go all out mental gymnastics to defended the white supremacists and the killer at Charlottesville.

I don't think the majority shared their views, but they appeared so desperate to criticize the other side, that they were finding any little video, photo, or snapshot to give the driver an excuse. And they applied similar reasoning to defend the groups as a whole.

It was odd.
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
24633 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:58 am to
Fair enough. I’d like to think they’re more rational than they post like as well. I’ll jab every now and then but look at posters like dale or gthog, they kinda never break character, so I’m thinking they are master trolls with no life or that’s pretty close to everyday thoughts. It’s definitely entertaining, and I’m not as liberal as I come off, but playing devils advocate in a lions den always sharpens my skills I think. I’ve been banned from DU a few times so at least they don’t do that around here
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
24633 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 1:04 am to
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The thing that does bother me the most though, which was evident in the Mark Dice "MSM is ignoring Tennessee shooting," is that facts counter to the Chamber's belief often seem to be just as ridiculed, unaccepted, and dismissed as opinions. When facts no longer matter so much as they support some view, then I think we've identified the problem in politics.


Yep. Agreed here. I see these threads about how the MSM is ignoring an issue often. Trust me I know cnn is bad, worse than fox, i can’t stand our media. But it seems like presenting tangible blatant countering evidence that, yes they are covering this story, is met with “so?” Or “IS IT COVERED AS MUCH AS (instert random similar issue covered more by CNN).” So that’s incredibly odd that a narrative so easy to disprove is just repeated over and over and no one seems to care that it’s not really true ever.
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
27958 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 1:32 am to
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You'll all find out about that soon".

Sounds like Trump has the goods, and is going to let it take down the leftist nutjobs
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 2:53 am to
Ah a good ol leftist circle jerk

Y'all going clockwise or counterclockwise tonight?
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