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re: Finch wants Pelicans to cut out the long 2s

Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:25 pm to
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9833 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:25 pm to
I've never understood the hate for the mid range jumper. You shoot it when you are open and have confidence you can hit the shot. The greatest players in league history were great mid range shooters. Legends like Jordan, Bryant, Duncan, even guys today like James and Durant kill teams with long 2s. It has to be a big part of any successful offense..
Posted by Machine
Earth
Member since May 2011
6001 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:30 pm to
i love the midrange shot. idk about being top ten in the league in take that shot, but i don't agree with cutting it out of the offense
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
116328 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:43 pm to
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I've never understood the hate for the mid range jumper.


Efficiency.

All modern statistics say that shooting 3s/short 2s only is by far the most efficient offense, and when implemented this has been proven to be absolutely true.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32780 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:44 pm to
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It has to be a big part of any successful offense..

Actually, it doesn't.

The Rockets had a top 10 offense of all time this past season and rarely took mid-range shots.

It's statistically and objectively not an efficient shot to take.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61588 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 4:01 pm to
quote:

I've never understood the hate for the mid range jumper


It's simple math.

3 x .333 = 1 point per shot
2 x .500 = 1 point per shot

An elite mid range shooter scores as effectively as a bad 3 point shooter. Now I do kind of agree with the philosophy of "a shot you're going to make is a good shot." but you just can't escape the way the Rockets and Warriors are changing the league.

One of the games against the Rockets last year the Pels were actually scoring pretty efficiently but so were the Rockets and when you trade 2s for 3s you lose. If AD/DC weren't elite at getting to the line I'd be concerned that even a very efficient cutting offense couldn't keep up with a good 3 point attack.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27327 posts
Posted on 9/29/17 at 10:13 am to
quote:

I've never understood the hate for the mid range jumper. You shoot it when you are open and have confidence you can hit the shot. The greatest players in league history were great mid range shooters. Legends like Jordan, Bryant, Duncan, even guys today like James and Durant kill teams with long 2s. It has to be a big part of any successful offense..
It is statistically the worst shot in basketball, but guys like Jordan were some of the best mid-range shooters in history.

Even on the Rockets where everybody thinks mid-range 2's are banned, guys like Harden and CP3 are given the green light because they shoot it well enough for it to be a statistically good shot.

It's about efficiency. The mid-range and especially long 2 are not efficient shots for MOST players. But for some players it's perfectly fine for them to take those shots. The league was just taking way too many of them with people who couldn't hit them at a high enough rate in the past. Teams are waking up to taking better, more efficient shots.
Posted by TheSexecutioner
Member since Mar 2011
5253 posts
Posted on 9/29/17 at 5:30 pm to
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The greatest players in league history were great mid range shooters. Legends like Jordan, Bryant, Duncan, even guys today like James and Durant kill teams with long 2s. It has to be a big part of any successful offense..


No. Those guys all played in an era before people realized the points and the paint and 3pt recipe. They just weren't shooting many 3s then. Long 2s are stupid shots. They just played in an era where taking stupid shots were permissible.

30 years ago, the Celtics led the NBA in 3pt attempts shooting roughly half as many as the team who shoots the fewest in 2017
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