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re: For years I have used the same phrase to explain Prog Motives

Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:29 am to
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:29 am to
You don't have to abandon Classical Liberalism. You want to exist on a philosophical plane, like a writer at National Review free of all the sausage making bullshite, knock yourself out. Others of us have made the decision that we have to get down in the mud with the Leftists while we still have a semblance of our culture remaining. It's the classic Idealist - Pragmatist struggle and I have declared for the pragmatists, considering the vile nature of the organizing Left. Say hi to Bill Kristol and David Frum for me.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48329 posts
Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:55 am to
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You don't have to abandon Classical Liberalism.


The election of Trump was an absolute abandonment of classical liberal values.

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Others of us have made the decision that we have to get down in the mud with the Leftists while we still have a semblance of our culture remaining.



I would argue that you are killing your culture, not in an attempt to save it, but as a path to some ridiculous notion of political victory.

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It's the classic Idealist - Pragmatist struggle and I have declared for the pragmatists, considering the vile nature of the organizing Left. Say hi to Bill Kristol and David Frum for me.


Pragmatism doesn't mean you wholly abdandon your priniciples. What you are engaging in is political nuclear war.
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
12977 posts
Posted on 9/24/17 at 11:39 am to
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As a classical liberal, I won't lose my values for political victory.
Posted by Stingray
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2007
12421 posts
Posted on 9/24/17 at 2:42 pm to
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Others of us have made the decision that we have to get down in the mud with the Leftists while we still have a semblance of our culture remaining


YES.

You don't save your country by dying for it, you save your country by making that other poor SOB die for his.
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