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Trumps tweet on Rand Paul
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:12 pm
@realDonalndTrump: Rand Paul is a friend of mine but he is such a negative force when it comes to fixing healthcare. Graham-Cassidy Bill is GREAT! Ends Ocare!
Look I'm a Trump supporter but he is siding on the wrong side on this one. Rand Paul isnt a negative force he is about the only one that could really straighten this shite out.
Trump is so caught up in just getting ANYTHING passed that he is going to push for a shite bill to pass. Rand Paul should have been in charge of writing this repeal from day 1.
Look I'm a Trump supporter but he is siding on the wrong side on this one. Rand Paul isnt a negative force he is about the only one that could really straighten this shite out.
Trump is so caught up in just getting ANYTHING passed that he is going to push for a shite bill to pass. Rand Paul should have been in charge of writing this repeal from day 1.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:15 pm to GIbson05
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Trump is so caught up in just getting ANYTHING passed that he is going to push for a shite bill to pass.
Well, yea. Same reason Obamacare was passed in the first place. It amazes me that the GOP wants to rebrand that shite as their own creation. On second thought...no it doesn't. They have proven their stupidity repeatedly.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:15 pm to GIbson05
I think Trump is trying to be a realist here. We're not going to get a Rand-quality bill passed through both houses. Not with the likes of McCain holding it up. People are suffering right now under Obamacare and Trump wants to make some progress, even if it's not ideal.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:17 pm to GIbson05
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Trump is so caught up in just getting ANYTHING passed that he is going to push for a shite bill to pass.
I mean, that's what he did we the last 2 healthcare offers. Also, ending Obamacare doesn't mean it necessarily goes away. It may be replaced with something similar.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:19 pm to GIbson05
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Rand Paul should have been in charge of writing this repeal from day 1.
I like Rand and I like his ideas the only problem is there aren't enough people in congress that will support his type of bill.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:21 pm to GIbson05
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Trump is so caught up in just getting ANYTHING passed that he is going to push for a shite bill to pass. Rand Paul should have been in charge of writing this repeal from day 1.
You are right about Trump, but there's no way any Rand Paul bill would have had a chance in Congress.
I like Rand a lot and believe he's one of the few people in DC that really try to represent the people, but he's way too idealistic sometimes to operate effectively in our system of government.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:25 pm to GIbson05
Trump isn't perfect and nobody is claiming he is. But he's infinitely better than most of the alternatives.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:35 pm to GIbson05
Just watched Rand Pauls speech to congress about voting on unconstitutional wars. Was one of the top 5 speeches i have heard this year. Congress needs to stop passing the buck and do its fricking job! Make them answer to the voters like the check and balances system was made for.
LINK
LINK
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:36 pm to GIbson05
Dumping Healthcare onto the States seems to be the best move for now; assuming one opposes the Government version. Like Graham said..."socialism or federalism". It's either on to Single Payer or give the States a shot.
And just getting Obama's name off the thing will help a lot of Dems get back into the 'next fix' game. No way they EVER vote Obama's sig accomplishment down, without eternal damnation.
And just getting Obama's name off the thing will help a lot of Dems get back into the 'next fix' game. No way they EVER vote Obama's sig accomplishment down, without eternal damnation.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:38 pm to GIbson05
I agree with you but a bill Rand puts forth won't get 25 votes in the Senate.
They only have until the 30th before the rule changes.
They only have until the 30th before the rule changes.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:42 pm to GIbson05
Rand has yet to realize that the way to get what you want is by chipping away a little at a time. He's so focused on winning the war, that he bypasses winnable battles. The biggest obstacle in the way of meaning reform is getting Obamacare out of the way. Once it's gone, it's gone, and everyone can move forward on other healthcare reforms.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:03 pm to GIbson05
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Trump is so caught up in just getting ANYTHING passed
He wants some of that sweet, sweet Koch money to pad his personal accounts.
They've said he only gets that if ACA repeal and tax reform are passed.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:12 pm to GIbson05
I'll settle for a bill that gets my premiums back to where they were before ObamaCare.
Right now I'm paying several thousand dollars per year in a new "tax". Thanks Justice Roberts, you frickwad.
Right now I'm paying several thousand dollars per year in a new "tax". Thanks Justice Roberts, you frickwad.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:24 pm to GIbson05
Trump tweeting an actual fricking doctor as if he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. Sheesh. Congress and the president should listen up to the fricking doctors in the room. It seems all Trump gives a frick about now is being able to say "see, I ended Obamacare".
What a joke.
What a joke.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:32 pm to GIbson05
Rand Paul got like .0000001% of the primary vote. He needs to follow or get out of the way.
And for heaven's sake, I'm tired of folks acting like he's some kind of dadgum savior-genius.
And for heaven's sake, I'm tired of folks acting like he's some kind of dadgum savior-genius.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:37 pm to GIbson05
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Look I'm a Trump supporter but he is siding on the wrong side on this one. Rand Paul isnt a negative force he is about the only one that could really straighten this shite out.
Trump is so caught up in just getting ANYTHING passed that he is going to push for a shite bill to pass. Rand Paul should have been in charge of writing this repeal from day 1.
The problem for politicians is that they often cannot see farther than 2 or 4 years ahead. They believe they were elected on a mandate to change everything NOW, and that if they do not deliver at least the appearance of that, they will be voted out.
What they do not realize is that politicians who are impediments to policy are not walls, but opportunities. In Trump's book, he talked about taking the most radical possible stance first, forcing opposition to suggest a compromise further in the direction one wants to go. What someone like Trump should do is the opposite of what Trump is doing now. Trump was elected as an outsider, not an insider. He shouldn't try to play this as an insider maneuvering from within the system and building coalitions. NO he should be above the system, beyond it, throwing bombs at it.
I have said from day one, Trump should embrace outsiders like Rand. He should take up their cause. He should demand that plan and no plan else. He should pitch that plan directly to the American people via twitter. He should stage rallies and town halls all over America to educate them on that plan and explain the benefits and drawbacks. He should tell his base that this is the plan they elected him to enact.
If the GOPe and democrats refuse to cooporate, GREAT! You want them to fight you! If they fight you, it shows that those politicians do not fight for the American people. It shows that they do not believe in Conservative principles no matter what their re-election ads state on tv. Then, you challenge them, you find willing candidates in every district in every state willing to take up your cause. You threaten every single incumbent that refuses to take up your issue with a primary challenge. You use twitter and the 24 hour outrage news cycle to promote them. You replace early every fake conservative that stands in your way. How? Because the only people with lower approval ratings than Donald Trump, are literally every politician who opposes him.
Health care, in this case, would not get passed this year, or the year after, or the year after that. But, if successful, the perfect bill would be passed eventually, likely during a second term, and everyone would be far better off.
The problem is, Trump doesn't have the balls to do that. He doesn't have the patience to do that. Finally, he lacks the knowledge base with which to properly discern what the best plan is. He is too short-term minded and will lose with short-term strategy because he cannot see the long game. Conservatives never see the long game, never can they visage more than one news or one election cycle ahead. They're always reacting, never proacting.
Trump finally broke the media stranglehold on narrative and consensus. He beat them at their own game, used their outrage against them, but now as POTUS, he's giving up his position of strength to get beat on his opponents' terms. How disappointing.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 2:47 pm to GIbson05
Rand wants to start by passing legislation to allow insurance to be sold across state lines. This probably has 90% approval in the country.
They could propose and pass a stand alone bill tomorrow (are they in session?).
Just do this one thing. Please. People. Then tort reform.
They could propose and pass a stand alone bill tomorrow (are they in session?).
Just do this one thing. Please. People. Then tort reform.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 3:10 pm to GIbson05
I always agree with Rands idealogy but also realize congress won't pass what he wants.
Is the Graham-Cassidy bill a step in the right direction? If so then pass it and hope we make further gains in 2018 so we can tweak it to make it even better
Is the Graham-Cassidy bill a step in the right direction? If so then pass it and hope we make further gains in 2018 so we can tweak it to make it even better
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