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re: IT(2017) ***SPOILER THREAD***
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:18 am to GeauxTigerTM
Posted on 9/19/17 at 11:18 am to GeauxTigerTM
So this turtle stuff is actually something from the book? It sounds like the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You guys mean to tell me it actually works in the book?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:19 pm to RandySavage
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You guys mean to tell me it actually works in the book?
Yeah...but because King has already primed you for whatever It is being not of this world. The kids all but know it's maybe not even from this dimension when they "see" It arrive in their vision in the smoke hole as kids.
Like most of the book, it's long as frick but the explanation is there. This is a fairly good and short recap of basically what's happening.
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The defeat of It by the children in the book is handled quite differently. When they confront the thing in its lair, they see it in a very different form than a clown. Since its true form is beyond human comprehension, their minds translate it as a giant spider. Bill confronts It mostly alone and is flung by the entity into another dimension where he is nearly brought head-on into the deadlights, which can drive anyone who looks into them insane. But while outside the bounds of our reality, he also meets the Turtle (again, a mental approximation of a presence beyond human understanding). The Turtle, whose name is Maturin, created our universe but exists like Pennywise/It outside of our reality. While Maturin doesn’t involve itself in puny human matters, it does offer Bill advice on how to stop It.
For myself, I didn't really care about the Turtle stuff as being important to the story...it's not like that was some twist. the important part was that as kids they knew that It was something far greater, far more eternal than some demon or crazy clown. They may well go down this road in Part 2, but one of the things that made the book so great was that they have to essentially repeat what they kid as kids to REALLY defeat it as adults. their remembering as they go is one of the beauties of the book.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:36 pm to RandySavage
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So this turtle stuff is actually something from the book? It sounds like the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You guys mean to tell me it actually works in the book?
God is dead.
Is God dead?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 3:43 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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GeauxTigerTM
Holy shite. I think yuo are more long-winded than me, and that is saying something.
Saw IT over the weekend, and really liked it. There were some things I didn't like about it, but overall I thought it was really good and did a great job of mixing legit horror with light/funny moments. I had heard it was mostly jump scares, but I found that it wasn't just that (though there were a lot of them). I thought the mood/setting was legit creepy/scary for most of the movie.
Does every single adult have to be such an a-hole? I don't remember that from the original (but haven't seen it in decades), but it seems like at least one could have been okay. All I kept thinking about at the end when Bev said she was leaving was what happened with her dad? She killed him, but where the hell are the cops (well, the other ones that weren't brutally murdered)..? And I didn't think the end in the sewer was that great either, at least the final "battle" part.
But all in all, I thought it was pretty great. The kids did a great job of acting for the most part. And I enjoyed BS's Pennywise.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 3:59 pm to CocomoLSU
They dropped Ritchie doing voices so they dropped the cop that chastised them about the sewers.
The pharmacist wasn't a pedo in the book and told Eddy the truth bout the meds.
Really I think the only good parents in the book was Stan's, Ritchie's, Mike's, Bevs mom was trying, and Ben's mom after he has the quit making me fat talk.
The movie just made em all creepy and assholes to give Derry a lightly fleshed out this town ain't right.
I'd like to see Tommyknockers given another shot.
The pharmacist wasn't a pedo in the book and told Eddy the truth bout the meds.
Really I think the only good parents in the book was Stan's, Ritchie's, Mike's, Bevs mom was trying, and Ben's mom after he has the quit making me fat talk.
The movie just made em all creepy and assholes to give Derry a lightly fleshed out this town ain't right.
I'd like to see Tommyknockers given another shot.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:41 pm to CocomoLSU
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Holy shite. I think yuo are more long-winded than me, and that is saying something.
I've had people tell me that when they see my name come up in their e-mail they cringe knowing it's going to be a fricking novel...
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Does every single adult have to be such an a-hole? I don't remember that from the original (but haven't seen it in decades), but it seems like at least one could have been okay. All I kept thinking about at the end when Bev said she was leaving was what happened with her dad? She killed him, but where the hell are the cops (well, the other ones that weren't brutally murdered)..? And I didn't think the end in the sewer was that great either, at least the final "battle" part.
This is where so much of what they changed from the book is lost. They really did not give the best sense of adults in town simply giving no fricks at all for what the kids did. Occasionally an adult would step up to help or do something, and they'd back down or get backed down. Only one that was ever nice to them was the Irish cop, but since they were never seen fricking around being kids building shite down in The Barrens they left him out entirely. In the book, Henry Bowers was practically as much a real threat to them all summer long as was Pennywise. They spent their summer in fear of both, with no one giving a shite.
In the book, Bev didn't kill her dad. He was basically motivated by Pennywise to attack her toward the end, going so far as wanting to physically check to see if she had slept with all the buys she'd been hanging around with, and they end up running through the streets in this long chase where adults see it happen and just turn their backs on this little girl being chased by this man screaming at her. No idea if that's why she's leaving in the movieverse.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:58 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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In the book, Bev didn't kill her dad. He was basically motivated by Pennywise to attack her toward the end, going so far as wanting to physically check to see if she had slept with all the buys she'd been hanging around with, and they end up running through the streets in this long chase where adults see it happen and just turn their backs on this little girl being chased by this man screaming at her. No idea if that's why she's leaving in the movieverse.
Long, sweaty run that included crawling under a garbage truck followed by a long traipse through the sewers. She must have been ripe for the gangbang.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 5:09 pm to High C
Maybe it's been mentioned already but one of the kids refers to a turtle when they're swimming.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 5:18 pm to UnluckyTiger
Bill also picks up what appears to be a Lego turtle in Georgie's room.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:37 pm to High C
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I loved that the actor playing Pennywise is 6'4", it showed on camera. Made him seem more menacing
Posted on 9/20/17 at 12:48 am to ZappBrannigan
I'd like to see a real try on The Langolears. The ABC version in the 90s was a disappointment especially considering how good It was.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 12:58 am to GeorgeTheGreek
Gtg I saw it last night. I thought it was entertaining but I have a question. Are kids the only one that can see it? I just thought to myself wtf aren't these kids trying to do this themselves call the fricking police.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 5:25 am to FLBooGoTigs1
quote:yea I believe It only shows itself to kids
Are kids the only one that can see it?
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:59 am to High C
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Bill also picks up what appears to be a Lego turtle in Georgie's room.
Yeah...the Lego Turtle and they see a Turtle in the quarry lake. People are also suggesting that the dropped a reference to the Turtle in the opening scene as Georgie was chasing after the boat in a large green tarp that was covering something. The shape looks like a turtle...
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:06 am to FLBooGoTigs1
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Are kids the only one that can see it? I just thought to myself wtf aren't these kids trying to do this themselves call the fricking police.
Essentially, yeah. They are the only ones that can see the result...like the blood splattered bathroom at Bev's. Bev's Dad walked in when he heard her scream in the book, but in there she was smart enough not to tell him she saw blood everywhere, since he was apt to beat her arse at the drop of a hat. Instead, she claimed to see a spider down int the drain realizing he couldn't see what she was seeing...referencing what they would eventually see down in the sewers.
But in the book, adults often times see Pennywise in various forms in various times in history. Sort of a background player when shite goes horribly wrong in town. Mike, as the person responsible for gathering up info on the town as they grew up, interviews many old folks and usually asks if they saw anyone else that stood out during these times. They usually matter-of-factly mention seeing a clown and dismiss it as someone in make-up who didn't want to be know or maybe the fair was in town, etc.
Mostly, adults don't pay attention to the kids at all.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:25 am to GeauxTigerTM
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This is where so much of what they changed from the book is lost.
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In the book, Henry Bowers
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In the book, Bev didn't kill her dad.
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when he heard her scream in the book
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But in the book, adults often times
Man, I don't want this to sound like I am being an a-hole (because I am not), but we get it...we know you've read the book. And we know that the movie isn't exactly the same as the book. There are differences; we get it. You are definitely "that guy" in this thread. Every post of yours, instead of talking about the movie, keeps trying to point out the differences from the book.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:35 am to CocomoLSU
I'm confused.
So he HAS read the book?
So he HAS read the book?
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 9:36 am
Posted on 9/20/17 at 9:39 am to HouseofWaffles
Those heap bastards only spent like 38 million to make it
Grossed near 300 mil so far I think.
They better unleash the budget on part 2.
Grossed near 300 mil so far I think.
They better unleash the budget on part 2.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:16 am to CocomoLSU
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Man, I don't want this to sound like I am being an a-hole (because I am not), but we get it...we know you've read the book. And we know that the movie isn't exactly the same as the book. There are differences; we get it. You are definitely "that guy" in this thread. Every post of yours, instead of talking about the movie, keeps trying to point out the differences from the book.
No worries...I'm honestly boring myself with this topic.
I only brought it up there because of the question in regards to seeing the clown.
All kidding aside, I kind of wish I had waited to read the damned thing until after at this point, because I probably would have been able to watch the movie and see what was actually being put on screen rather than being startled by all the changes so much that I was missing what was happening in the movie they really shot.
Like I said...they got so many things right (story aside) that I hate bagging on it, because it sounds like I hate it all. Love the casting, Pennywise was great, setting was awesome, etc. Wish they had just done the story and characters as written...that's all. Maybe one day.
Promise...I'm done now.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:16 am to Pilot Tiger
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So he HAS read the book?
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