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re: Why exactly was Sheriff Joe arrested in first place?
Posted on 8/27/17 at 9:35 am to GeorgePaton
Posted on 8/27/17 at 9:35 am to GeorgePaton
That's one hell of an imaginative story
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Posted on 8/27/17 at 9:36 am to Cosmo
In the words of that great American Kurt Schlichter.
Sheriff Joe was pardoned because frick liberals that's why.
Sheriff Joe was pardoned because frick liberals that's why.
Posted on 8/27/17 at 9:41 am to funnystuff
You are right about the complexity of the written law and the way it's been argued in court. This is almost certainly why they went after him for profiling and not arresting illegals per se.
Posted on 8/27/17 at 9:41 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
The constitution admittedly does not have an overarching directive on the issue of enforcement of immigration law. But the Supreme Court, the body directed with interpreting such ambiguities, has repeatedly ruled in favor of the federal government being responsible for regulating and enforcing immigration policy, with states directed to only play a supporting role in that effort. Efforts to circumvent that dynamic have repeatedly been struck down. Read my full link above if you want a more detailed answer citing case law.
Posted on 8/27/17 at 9:47 am to Loserman
Incorrect. He treated all encounters the same.
Posted on 8/27/17 at 9:49 am to funnystuff
quote:
Sheriff Joe continuesly ignored his directive to not go out of his way to round up illegals for over a year, while bragging that no higher authority could stop him, and was therefore found in contempt of court
So he just supposed to let them run amok in his county? As a sheriff with the obligation to protect the people, many of them friends or neighbours, I wouldn't do it either. On the border where many of them were involved in the drug trade or human trafficing I believe that he did what he felt he had to do.
Posted on 8/27/17 at 9:54 am to funnystuff
quote:
For doing the federal governments job. When being expressly forbid from doing so.
So the Federal government was enforcing the immigration law?
Think about your answer whilst I laugh at you.
Posted on 8/27/17 at 10:09 am to the808bass
As I said in the other thread: Doing the job Washington refused to do.
Posted on 8/27/17 at 3:32 pm to ChineseBandit58
quote:
Are you suggesting that in order to combat illegal aliens from invading the southern border, a LEO must detain a 'proportional' amount of old white grandmothers, Israeli vacationers, Polish bakers, Japanese students, Australian businessmen, etc. etc. etc.
No. The total amount detained is irrelevant. The reason for the stop is paramount. If the only reason a LEO stops a person is because they are a member of a certain ethnicity then thatg falls short of the reasonable suspicion/probable cause standard necessary for a constitutional stop.
Posted on 8/27/17 at 3:37 pm to Turbeauxdog
Baldwin v. New York
Posted on 8/27/17 at 3:42 pm to Cosmo
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Far as I can tell he got arrested for enforcing the law
I assume you're trolling, but for the record, Joe apparently continued to make arrests in violation of the Constitution and in defiance of a standing court order. So, he was in criminal contempt of court.
Posted on 8/27/17 at 3:44 pm to VOR
I thought he was detaining illegals who weren't accused of any other crime? Was he making unconstitutional arrests too? I realize he was in violation of a court order. I was under the impression the order simply restrained him from detaining illegals without another underlying crime. Am I mistaken?
Posted on 8/27/17 at 3:45 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:
The reason for the stop is paramount.
I agree. Were they stopping people without reason other than skin color? If so...that isn't ok.
Posted on 8/27/17 at 4:02 pm to BBONDS25
from what I understamd, it was open and shut racial profiling.
Posted on 8/27/17 at 4:17 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:Baldwin was charged with a misdemeanor in the New York City Criminal Court. Appellant's motion for a jury trial was denied. He was convicted without a jury.
Baldwin v. New York
Finding on appeal:
Administrative conveniences do not justify denying an accused the important right to trial by jury. The conviction was reversed.
Posted on 8/27/17 at 4:29 pm to VOR
quote:From what I understand, latino activists with green cards or citizenship implied they were illegal. When questioned, they refused to provide ID. They were detained. Calls were placed to their lawyer and the press. Once both were in place, the activists identified themselves as legal, and announced intent to file civil rights complaints.
from what I understamd, it was open and shut racial profiling.
Posted on 8/27/17 at 4:30 pm to BBONDS25
quote:
I was under the impression the order simply restrained him from detaining illegals without another underlying crime
Which would be a bullshite order.
Posted on 8/27/17 at 4:46 pm to Cosmo
You can be arrested for speeding, no seat belt, no drivers license, etc. That went to the Supreme Court a few years ago from Lago Vista, Texas.
Sheriff Joe was arresting Mexicans in this manner, and several were illegals.
Then through a federal immigration detainer, Uncle Sam will come to your county jail and take Pedro back to Honduras.
But oh the horror, what's known as disparate impact has been applied to local arrests, so Sheriff Joe was arresting too many Mexicans, in the opinion of white-guilt ridden cucks in black robes.
Sheriff Joe was arresting Mexicans in this manner, and several were illegals.
Then through a federal immigration detainer, Uncle Sam will come to your county jail and take Pedro back to Honduras.
But oh the horror, what's known as disparate impact has been applied to local arrests, so Sheriff Joe was arresting too many Mexicans, in the opinion of white-guilt ridden cucks in black robes.
Posted on 8/27/17 at 5:25 pm to VOR
How so?
Posted on 8/27/17 at 5:28 pm to VOR
quote:What race?
it was open and shut racial profiling.
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