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The 3-4 defense traditionally relies in a dominant NG
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:39 am
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:39 am
I am excited to see what Aranda can do when the NG is never blown off the ball. I think that begins this year. It's why I think the defense has a chance to be better this year by the end of the season.
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Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:41 am to olgoi khorkhoi
Hopefully Gilmore and Ed can lock it down.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:53 am to SwampKitty
Shelvin and Alexander were both ranked as top 50 overall prospect as nose guards. Hopefully Shelvin can get cleared and the 2 can live up to the hype
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:55 am to olgoi khorkhoi
There are two different schools of 3-4 defense. I'm no expert but as I understand it, the one gap 3-4 (which Aranda runs) doesn't require a massive space eater at nose tackle.
Furthermore, were in 2-4-5 alignment far more than anything else anyway.
Furthermore, were in 2-4-5 alignment far more than anything else anyway.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 10:59 am to DBU
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Furthermore, were in 2-4-5 alignment far more than anything else anyway.
Which the offenses we face are driving.
What I was excited to see is - by the end of the season (maybe it was just the bowl game), we started to get either 0 looks (or at least faux 0 looks) and I think Aranda is on to something there. It's passively aggressive and this causes a slight freeze of the offense off the snap.
I imagine this year, we'll see it more.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:31 am to DBU
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There are two different schools of 3-4 defense. I'm no expert but as I understand it, the one gap 3-4 (which Aranda runs) doesn't require a massive space eater at nose tackle.
Why are they recruiting 350 lb nose guards, then?
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 11:32 am
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:36 am to DBU
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I'm no expert but as I understand it, the one gap 3-4 (which Aranda runs) doesn't require a massive space eater at nose tackle.
This. My understanding has always been that NT is much less important than it is in a 3-4 like Sabans.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:38 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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Why are they recruiting 350 lb nose guards, then?
I don't know, maybe because they're the best in the country out of HS?
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:42 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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quote:There are two different schools of 3-4 defense. I'm no expert but as I understand it, the one gap 3-4 (which Aranda runs) doesn't require a massive space eater at nose tackle. Why are they recruiting 350 lb nose guards, then?
Because sometimes a good defense will play 2 gap to throw off the offense or to stuff the run
Or these 350lb nose guards are in high school shape and not college shape. Maybe the coaches project the kid losing 30-40 pounds and being a more one-gap player.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:49 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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Why are they recruiting 350 lb nose guards, then?
Because he is a beast and the #1 recruit in the state? They can always adjust the scheme.
Would you not recruit the best RB in the country (who is in your backyard) just because you're a pass first team?
This post was edited on 8/9/17 at 11:50 am
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:50 am to Alltheway Tigers!
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Or these 350lb nose guards are in high school shape and not college shape. Maybe the coaches project the kid losing 30-40 pounds and being a more one-gap player.
For the record, I think Tyler Shelvin is down to like 325 - practically svelte for a man that big.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:52 am to olgoi khorkhoi
quote:They are simply recruiting who they think the best recruits are. If you think a Saban nose guard is the same as what Aranda wants, you simply don't understand the defense and you don't believe Aranda bc he has made that point very clear on multiple occasions.
Why are they recruiting 350 lb nose guards, then?
Massive nose tackles are just not as important with spread offenses en vogue as they used to be. However, it will still be very valuable against bama and arkansas.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:59 am to airfernando
Not only are these guys big, but they're athletic enough to penetrate and not just plug the gap.
That's why they're elite.
That's why they're elite.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 11:59 am to olgoi khorkhoi
Because they still help.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:00 pm to Ace Midnight
Ace, pardon my ignorance but what is a 0 look?
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:05 pm to ROPO
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Ace, pardon my ignorance but what is a 0 look?
No down lineman.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:12 pm to Ace Midnight
Oh. I don't recall that from last year. Did we do it in the bowl game?
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:19 pm to DBU
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There are two different schools of 3-4 defense. I'm no expert but as I understand it, the one gap 3-4 (which Aranda runs) doesn't require a massive space eater at nose tackle.
There are a bunch of different flavors. Most people think of Belichick's 34, which is all space eaters and the defensive line plays read/react while two gapping.
Then you have Wade Phillips, who one gaps and has actually used relatively small nose tackles. Jay Ratliff is an extreme example of this, dude barely weighed 300 pounds.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:27 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
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I am excited to see what Aranda
I too am pumped to see what Biracial Dave manages to accomplish with the defense this year.
Posted on 8/9/17 at 12:32 pm to BayouBengals18
They aren't recruiting 350 lb noseguards. If he's referring to Tyler Shelvin he was the best player in state last recruiting cycle and Coach O wanted him in the 320-330 range.
Ed Alexander wasn't 350 either. And none of the 2018 DTs they are recruiting are that big. Dare Rosenthal is around 330 but he's also 6'8".
Ed Alexander wasn't 350 either. And none of the 2018 DTs they are recruiting are that big. Dare Rosenthal is around 330 but he's also 6'8".
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