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re: More evidence that math is x-ist: Algebra is a "civil rights issue"
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:47 pm to Numberwang
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:47 pm to Numberwang
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Stats can prepare you for Production and Operations Mgmt and some T-Log related courses in Business School.
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Numberwang
i'll take your word on it
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Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
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reminded me of doing the trig tests in placement and it was easy as shite and all the kids (in the ENGINEERING section) after asked me how i did it without a calculator
Speculation of Jake being on the spectrum: [confirmed] not confirmed
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
You don't deserve a college degree if you can't pass the basic math requirements unless you are math dyslexic.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
yeah theres a good amount you can do without calculus. Some of it is more work than it should be, though, the algebra way.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:51 pm to dkreller
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You don't deserve a college degree if you can't pass the basic math requirements unless you are math dyslexic.
True. We need to de-stigmatize good old fashioned "Trade Schools". Trump wants to do this with his focus on apprenticeships and job-training.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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he forgets that statistics is a racist subject
Also, statistics is largely based on algebra. Where it's not, it is based on calculus.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
There is actually a valid point in all of his nonsense. Most of the jobs that these CC grads/potential grads are missing out on have really no need for algebra. These are low to medium skill jobs. The fact that they require an Associate's Degree is a ridiculous. But that's what happens when you install policies to supersaturate higher education.
This post was edited on 7/21/17 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I have an MS in statistics, and I only had to use calculus in one course (the theoretical course). I had a very stats heavy dissertation; I help my colleagues on the analyses in their research; and I do statistical analyses for some consulting work. The only time I've ever used calculus, was in that course.
serious question (i never took stats in college): can you really do much with stats without calculus?
With the software available, basically all of the complicated calculations are already embedded in the software. Even then, matrix algebra is usually more important than calculus for most analyses.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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can you really do much with stats without calculus
In practice, yes, because of computers. You can get pretty far without knowing how to do the math. But (for example) if a class requires you to calculate a non-linear regression by hand, you need calculus -- or at least a basic understanding of what a derivative is.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:55 pm to buckeye_vol
Is passing algebra not a requirement for graduating high school anymore? Even the dumbest kids had to take it in year 10-11. Most kids took it in 7-9. This is just another example of why most of the public is dumb. We keep lowering standards so some kids won't get their feelings hurt. This only hurts the kids that aren't dumb as they are not getting the level of education they deserve, and the whole nation as a result.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:57 pm to buckeye_vol
It's understandable to say that calculators, software, etc. can do it all but a college grad should be able to crunch that shite out on paper if need be.
Getting overdependant on technology is setting yourself up for failure.
Getting overdependant on technology is setting yourself up for failure.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
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serious question (i never took stats in college): can you really do much with stats without calculus?
A LOT. In fact most practical application does not require any calculus at all.
Most the interplay between calculus comes at the derivation stage. So yeah you kinda need stats to do higher level theoretical stats. And it would be nice for a deeper understanding of probability distributions and other topics. And even then you get can get a decent narrative understanding without it.
So basically no. You can do stats (and that is a pretty broad area) without calculus.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 2:03 pm to Antonio Moss
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There is actually a valid point in all of his nonsense. Most of the jobs that these CC grads/potential grads are missing out on have really no need for algebra. These are low to medium skill jobs.
Almost everyone uses algebra in their everyday lives. Not teaching it is just stupid.
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Posted on 7/21/17 at 2:11 pm to dkreller
quote:I didn't mean to imply otherwise (if that's what you thought). I was just responding to SFP, that calculus is not really a necessity to be proficient at statistics, especially applied statistics.
It's understandable to say that calculators, software, etc. can do it all but a college grad should be able to crunch that shite out on paper if need be.
Getting overdependant on technology is setting yourself up for failure.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 2:12 pm to buckeye_vol
naw it's all good we're all on the same page
Posted on 7/21/17 at 2:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
Statistics - when taught properly - is way more difficult than Algebra.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 2:16 pm to TxTiger82
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Almost everyone uses algebra in their everyday lives. Not teaching it is just stupid.
You missed my point. I'm not saying not to teach it. I'm saying that a secretarial job, or any other low to medium skill job, that will never use algebra in any meaningful way should not require an Associate's degree.
If a 20 year old can't pass algebra, they shouldn't receive a degree. At the same time, that shouldn't lock them out of low skill jobs.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 2:17 pm to buckeye_vol
I was just elaborating on what you said.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 2:26 pm to buckeye_vol
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I have an MS in statistics, and I only had to use calculus in one course (the theoretical course). I had a very stats heavy dissertation; I help my colleagues on the analyses in their research; and I do statistical analyses for some consulting work. The only time I've ever used calculus, was in that course.
With the software available, basically all of the complicated calculations are already embedded in the software. Even then, matrix algebra is usually more important than calculus for most analyses.
You bastard.
I had to take 2 theoretical stats courses, both of which required you passed the previous three calculus classes (derivative, integral, and 3-D)
ETA: Don't use any of that shite I learned either.
This post was edited on 7/21/17 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 7/21/17 at 2:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
I'll even say this is trash. Fix the public education system and I promise you will see more than enough POC excelling in mathematics. They have the potential
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