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re: How happy is everybody about rondo?
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:43 pm to ShamelessPel
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:43 pm to ShamelessPel
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Before people start freaking out that I'm comparing Jrue to Klay
Doesn't matter, they'll freak out because to them Klay is a dead eye shooter and Jrue isn't so your comparison fails. I made this argument like 2 years ago and it was about as popular as suggesting we trade for Rubio. It's like people have no clue how to value anything outside of shooting. Even the effect of rebounding is heavily discounted on this board.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 7/16/17 at 2:46 pm to TigerinATL
And they'll say you can't shoot if your 3pt percentage is under 40.
Posted on 7/16/17 at 3:01 pm to TigerinATL
re: Jrue and Klay- i'm not a moron. i can recognize the difference between the players w/o #wellactually Klay Thompson is a better shooter
there are 2 problems:
1) Holiday has never played off ball consistently. you're asking him to do something he has not done in 8 years as a pro and god knows how many years as an amatuer
2) you just signed off on $5/126M to a guy whom you now want to take on a role he has never played before. maybe he can adapt (limited sample w/ Cousins last year was not promising, but limited sample is limited sample). he didnt earn that money as an off ball player.
not really. it's valuing what a guy can do. Holiday is a ball dominant player on offense (and, yes, he's not a particularly good primary creator- i've stumped for him to be the off the bench scorer after his stint there a couple years back).
if you're asking him to switch that up entirely, that just doesnt add up to me w/r/t Holiday's skills on offense. if you're telling me the system will be set up to allow multiple guys to initiate/create, great.
maybe it works great. i hope so. but plugging guys into new roles isnt as easy as we would like to think- see Evans, Tyreke and Gordon, Eric
ETA- again, most of the confusion/debate/disagreement comes back to how we use/interpret positional labels. when we say SG, that can mean a ton of different things.
e.g.- Holiday is a creator who can do some things off ball. Moore is an off ball guy who can do a little bit off the bounce. Rondo is a creator w/ almost nothing to offer off ball.
there are 2 problems:
1) Holiday has never played off ball consistently. you're asking him to do something he has not done in 8 years as a pro and god knows how many years as an amatuer
2) you just signed off on $5/126M to a guy whom you now want to take on a role he has never played before. maybe he can adapt (limited sample w/ Cousins last year was not promising, but limited sample is limited sample). he didnt earn that money as an off ball player.
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It's like people have no clue how to value anything outside of shooting.
not really. it's valuing what a guy can do. Holiday is a ball dominant player on offense (and, yes, he's not a particularly good primary creator- i've stumped for him to be the off the bench scorer after his stint there a couple years back).
if you're asking him to switch that up entirely, that just doesnt add up to me w/r/t Holiday's skills on offense. if you're telling me the system will be set up to allow multiple guys to initiate/create, great.
maybe it works great. i hope so. but plugging guys into new roles isnt as easy as we would like to think- see Evans, Tyreke and Gordon, Eric
ETA- again, most of the confusion/debate/disagreement comes back to how we use/interpret positional labels. when we say SG, that can mean a ton of different things.
e.g.- Holiday is a creator who can do some things off ball. Moore is an off ball guy who can do a little bit off the bounce. Rondo is a creator w/ almost nothing to offer off ball.
This post was edited on 7/16/17 at 3:16 pm
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