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re: What is a acceptable record for Coach Ed Orgeron this year?
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:07 pm to Madking
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:07 pm to Madking
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In the 5 years he was here the west was won by LSU twice, Miss St., Arky and Auburn. With LSU and Auburn winning the SEC title outright. LSU went to a natty and won it and Auburn should've played for 1. Now a normal non biased person would call that parody and not weakness.
you've got to be kidding bruh.
from 2000-2002 16 of the 18 west teams had AT LEAST 4 LOSSES BROTHER. THE OTHER 2 TEAMS HAD 3.
in 2011 alone lsu faced more west teams that finished top 5 than during Saban's entire tenure brother.
a normal person would see 2 top 10 west teams to 9 top 10 west teams and admit 1 5 years stretch the west was far better.
you're too smart to be arguing this.
It's not parody when a 4 loss team wins the west. it's a crap division.
tell me the last time a 3 loss west team won the west.
This post was edited on 7/14/17 at 10:09 pm
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:13 pm to Madking
from 2000-2002 88% of the west teams had 4 OR MORE LOSSES. that's not parody
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:13 pm to Rickdaddy4188
A crap division doesn't finish in the top 3 nationally of all conferences and divisions put together over that span. And we didn't play west teams only we played 3 east teams then as opposed to 2 of them now. Top to bottom the SEC has been the best conference in football since the 80s you can knock any span you want but you'd be wrong.
This post was edited on 7/14/17 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:33 pm to Madking
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crap division doesn't finish in the top 3 nationally of all conferences and divisions put together over that span. And we didn't play west teams only we played 3 east teams then as opposed to 2 of them now.
which I sent I said sec west was garbage COMPARED TO 2011-2015. any non biased person would agree. I really have no idea why you are even arguing this. youre literally the only person I've ever seen not agree that the west was no where near as tough during Saban's tenure as the last 5 years under miles.i respect your knowledge so I dont understand.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:43 pm to Rickdaddy4188
First off in 2012 teams were added so any team above .500 added gives the latter era an unfair advantage. The more accurate comparison is to compare Miles first 5 years to Sabans but I'll do both. Let's look at the actual facts.
Saban era SEC west
124 wins - 116 losses win pct 51.7%
Miles 2005-2009 equal amount of teams
119 wins - 121 losses 49.5%
Miles from 2011 to 2015, 2 extra teams added to the sec
146 wins - 126 losses 53.7%
Now how in the hell is the Saban era SEC west shite compared to the SEC west now with an extra team boosting their win pct and it's still only 2% better? The real comparison is with equal teams and you see the West in Sabans era was better. When you add both Miles eras together guess what the win pct is? 51.7% the EXACT same as the Saban era!!!
Saban era SEC west
124 wins - 116 losses win pct 51.7%
Miles 2005-2009 equal amount of teams
119 wins - 121 losses 49.5%
Miles from 2011 to 2015, 2 extra teams added to the sec
146 wins - 126 losses 53.7%
Now how in the hell is the Saban era SEC west shite compared to the SEC west now with an extra team boosting their win pct and it's still only 2% better? The real comparison is with equal teams and you see the West in Sabans era was better. When you add both Miles eras together guess what the win pct is? 51.7% the EXACT same as the Saban era!!!
This post was edited on 7/14/17 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 7/14/17 at 10:52 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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we both know there is a portion of lsu posters that would rather slap their mom than admit any success lsu had was because of miles.
It certainly looks that way.
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AND something I always thought but never had any proof of until now is there is clearly a portion of lsu posters that simply don't mind losing 3 or 4 games as long as Miles isn't the coach
Yes, this thread certainly has proven that to be a fact. I haven't gotton involved in this thread until the last few pages, but I have been following it for a few days and I've had to laugh to myself over all the posts about "lack of talent" and "8-4 or 9-3" record being acceptable. Or "a 10 win season would be awesome" Posted on 7/14/17 at 11:02 pm to Madking
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Now how in the hell is the Saban era SEC west shite compared to the SEC west now with an extra team boosting their win pct and it's still only 2% better?
because 60 % of Saban's tenure never had a west team with less than 3 losses. good god bruh must stop.
Saban at lsu faced 2 west teams that finished top 10.
from 2011-2015 miles faced 9 teams that finished top 10.
during Saban's entire tenure he faced 1 west team that finished in the top 5.
miles faced 2 west teams that finished top 5 in 2011 alone.
the fact that you're attempting this argument when Saban never once faced a national title PARTICIPANT is astounding.
AGAIN, FROM 2000-2002( 60% OF SABAN'S TENURE) 88% OF THE ENTIRE WEST HAD 4 LOSSES OR MORE.
Saban faced 1 west team that finished top 5.
from 2011-2015 miles faced 6 west teams that finished top 5.
in 60% of Saban's tenure the west winner had 3 losses or more
in Mile's entire tenure the west winner had more than 2 losses zero times.
just stop.
This post was edited on 7/14/17 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 7/14/17 at 11:23 pm to Madking
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Madking
love ya bro. I'm done for the night. would've been cool to see what lsu couldve been had Saban scratched the nfl itch before coming to lsu.
holla at ya later
Posted on 7/14/17 at 11:27 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Dude I just gave you the god damn win percentages and you're still gonna argue against the facts. I don't care about the emphasis you put on x amount of losses or opinionated rankings those are subjective taking points. All you're saying is that a top heavy league is better in your opinion than a league that's good 1-6. The fricking win pct, the indisputable evidence is exactly the same. Unbelievable especially for you. You're taking two groups with the exact same data and saying one is better than the other because you say so. That's the definition of bias.
This post was edited on 7/14/17 at 11:52 pm
Posted on 7/14/17 at 11:35 pm to axd9142a
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What is a acceptable record for Coach Ed Orgeron this year?
I won't accept anything less than 15-0 and the national championshihp. If he does anything less than that, I just refuse to accept it. I will scream, cuss, stomp my feet and throw a fit, and of course that'll solve everything.
Who gives a frick what any of us find "acceptable"? He won't be fired regardless of record, so you and I will "accept" whatever record he has and deal with it.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 11:50 pm to Rickdaddy4188
We'd be the greatest dynasty in college football history. It's pissing off just thinking about it. I remember talking to my friends and us thinking we are about to become the new U. Then that little shite head left and we all knew damn well his style of coaching would never fly with pro athletes. What's worse is we didn't re hire him and the rumors about that situation. Tty later brotha.
This post was edited on 7/14/17 at 11:51 pm
Posted on 7/15/17 at 12:40 am to Madking
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Dude I just gave you the god damn win percentages and you're still gonna argue against the facts
holy shite.
it's like you don't understand that youre arguing facts
Comparison of Saban's tenure and miles last 5 full seasons
West opponents that finished top 5
Saban-1
miles-5
west programs that finished top 10
Saban- 2
Miles-9
Times that the west champ had at least 3 losses
Saban-3
Miles-0
west opponents that played in the title game
saban-0
miles-5
the above statements are facts.
the fact that you think saban played a west schedule that was even close is retarded.
it should be telling to you that literally no one is agreeing with you
Saban faced 1 top 5 west opponent his entire tenure.
Miles faced 2 top 5 opponents in 2011 alone
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don't care about the emphasis you put on x amount of losses
it matters.
3 loss conference champs means the division was crap.
During Saban's tenure 1 sec west program won a national title.
Miles last 5 full seasons had 3 west programs win a national title.
This post was edited on 7/15/17 at 12:44 am
Posted on 7/15/17 at 12:56 am to Madking
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I don't care about the emphasis you put on x amount of losses or or opinionated rankings those are subjective taking poin
you mean the rankings you used when you brought up Saban's records against top 5 and top 10 opponents compared to miles' record against top 5 and top 10 opponents?
your 1st post on this topic......
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Saban having a better win pct vs the SEC and a much better win pct vs top 5 and top 10 opponents.
when it fits your argument you have no problem using those objective ranking
This post was edited on 7/15/17 at 12:59 am
Posted on 7/15/17 at 1:14 am to axd9142a
16-0
Posted on 7/15/17 at 1:26 am to Madking
I don't give a shot about stats and records. No one in the college football world would argue that 2000-2005 SEC West is anywhere close to the level of 2010-2015 SEC west, who won 4/6 NCs. That's just not realistic.
Anyway, why are we arguing miles vs Saban again? Both are 10 times the coach that O is, which is the point of the thread.
Anyway, why are we arguing miles vs Saban again? Both are 10 times the coach that O is, which is the point of the thread.
Posted on 7/15/17 at 1:37 am to axd9142a
I really don't care who the coach is.. if he can get LSU going to the playoffs regularly, he'll have my full support. That's how I believe everyone should look at situations like these..who cares what the name is or what folks think about him. If he can win you football games and put the team/players in the best chance to get to the playoffs and win national championships at a more consistent rate, I'll support a frickin duck..acceptable to me is making a NY6 bowl..anything less is extremely meh, imo. There could be some serious talent coming in 2019..who knows what's going to happen, but I'll support Coach O until he gives me a reason not to.
This post was edited on 7/15/17 at 1:42 am
Posted on 7/15/17 at 2:01 am to Rickdaddy4188
First off your initial response is false. SEC had LSU 03 and Auburn 04 both finish in the top 5, if you're willing to lie about that who knows what other fallacies you're posting. The facts are the win pct of the sec west during both tenures was the same saying one was better is completely wrong and untrue that's a fact. And saying one was elite and the other garbage as you've repeatedly said is not only biased it's stupid. You keep harping on what the top teams in the division did but the division consists of 6/7 teams. All you're doing us proving its top heavy in those years not better top to bottom. And I only brought up those rankings because you were hooping and hollering about it. You flip flop on what is valid as you go along so don't blame me for trying to argue on your terms I can't stop you from changing them at will.
This post was edited on 7/15/17 at 2:21 am
Posted on 7/15/17 at 2:03 am to SportTiger1
Only one reason Rickdaddy. He turns every thread into a Miles debate. And you don't have to agree with the west being equal that's what records and stats are for, so that ppl can't just say whatever they want too and pass it off as the truth. The win pct is the same playing against the same universities there's no arguing with facts.
This post was edited on 7/15/17 at 2:11 am
Posted on 7/15/17 at 2:18 am to Madking
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The facts are the win pct of the sec west during both tenures was the same saying one was better is completely wrong and untrue that's a fact.
so 3 different west programs winning a NC to 1 program isn't better?
playing 9 top 10 opponents to 2 isnt better?
playing 5 top 5 opponents isnt better than playing 1 top 5 opponent?
it's fricking amazing how you've taken a stance thats no one on the fricking planet but you thinks.
in 3 of Saban's 5 years tenure no west program had less than 3 losses.
youre basing your entire argument over 1 stat. win %.
top 10 west opponents faced
Saban-2
miles- 9
top 5 west opponents faced
Saban-1
Miles-5
west teams that won the west with 3 losses
Saban-3
miles-0
west teams that won the west with 4 losses
saban- 1
miles-0
national title winning teams faced
saban-0
miles-2
west programs to win a NC
Saban-1
miles-3
only a fricking retard would take 1 stat over 6 stats thats heavily in favor of one stretch
youre the only one that believes your bullshite stance lirerally no one on this thread agrees with you.
but by all means cling to your one stat that even favors 2011-2015.
you've already established your bias wheb you saod you didn't care about subjective rankings when your 1st response about this issue had rankings in it.
face facts. The west garbage compared to 2011-2015.
Posted on 7/15/17 at 2:19 am to Madking
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Only one reason Rickdaddy
i didnt bring miles up.
you just can't stand any facts that don't tout miles as a shite coach.
This post was edited on 7/15/17 at 2:24 am
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