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re: What is a acceptable record for Coach Ed Orgeron this year?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:26 am to dgnx6
Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:26 am to dgnx6
I think people wanted a change period. Similar to UGA firing a guy who won 10 games that year. People got tired of the same old thing every year. Which isn't instantly a good thing.
With that being said, it wasn't like Miles was winning 10 games every other year. So we will see what the future holds
With that being said, it wasn't like Miles was winning 10 games every other year. So we will see what the future holds
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:38 am to JBeam
You would think LSU fans would learn from programs like Georgia.
Richt was 10-3 and got fired.
Smart came in and went 8-5.
Yay change.
Richt was 10-3 and got fired.
Smart came in and went 8-5.
Yay change.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 11:07 am to Bossierboy
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We think our first year coach, where the little experience he had as a head coach was unsuccessful, average at best Purdue transfer QB, significant loss of experience all over the field, hardest schedule of any team in the league, should win the conference in his first year. That's most of the expectations on here. 9-3 is realistic.
Incorrect. People who are unhappy don't think he should have hired in the first place. The fact that he was, and he was sold as consistency, means that there is little to no room for error. He should be held to that standard and he MUST deliver on how he was sold. No rebuilding (LSU isn't in a true rebuilding phase). He isn't "installing his vision for the program," because O has no vision. Our strategy is a constant revolving door of the best Coordinators and Great hires, this means one side of the ball is probably getting refurbished every couple of years at the very least. But O's production MUST be consistent inside of that plan, it must be at or above Miles level, and it has to produce immediately. He gets no window, no buffer if the plan is to just hire the best per his salary and his comments. The plan, as stated, has to work out of the gate or it isn't working at all, and probably isn't a good plan.
The things that are happening now, and that have become excuses, are the exact things that will happen year to year when your Coordinators are more important than your vision. This will be SOP for O's tenure, and it cannot fail out of the gate. Simple as that.
Not only that, you don't take a coach with his head coaching record and "give him time." Giving O time, especially if what those unhappy with the hire comes to fruition, means he can destroy the program for years to come.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 11:15 am
Posted on 7/13/17 at 11:18 am to Freauxzen
IMO anything less than a NY6 Bowl appearance is a failed season. I'm not happy with 9-3 or 8-4 regardless of who is HC. Road schedule is tough but this team is as talented as any other we will play. Let's just hope no games are fricking canceled this year
Posted on 7/13/17 at 11:31 am to jrodLSUke
It was his first year! Lol
Posted on 7/13/17 at 11:34 am to Bossierboy
Would you be ok with LSU going 8-5 this year?
Posted on 7/13/17 at 11:36 am to axd9142a
What Coach O and LSU need is a bunch old time LSU supporters who love our state school and share the love with our kids coming up and possible recruits around the south , any thing else will make losers out of LSU ! nega tigers have ruined LSU , it wasn't any coaches !
Posted on 7/13/17 at 11:41 am to timm6971463
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What Coach O and LSU need is a bunch old time LSU supporters who love our state school and share the love with our kids coming up and possible recruits around the south , any thing else will make losers out of LSU ! nega tigers have ruined LSU , it wasn't any coaches !
What the hell does this even mean? This fairy tale, love our state school, BS will adversely affect LSU.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:16 pm to Mo Jeaux
Coach O can go 8-5 as long as it looks pretty and he sounds angry about it. Perfect job really...
Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:37 pm to Lester Earl
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Wut
Like I just said, outside of Key we return 4 sacks total.
Our top 5 tacklers are gone
We had a paltry 9INTs last year. 6 are gone
6 of our top 7 pass catchers are gone from last year
Dude this isn't just a guy here or there. Collectively this presents a problem for 2017 despite the great young talent that we have on our roster.
Expecting a 2 loss season is setting up for disappoint. If that is what everyone thinks then Coach O is gonna get absolutely roasted when he more then likely won't warrant it.
This is for all intents & purposes a rebuilding year
I agree with you. Some people are just stupid. We have serious gaps in our roster that cannot change over night. We should be ok this year, but next year we are going to feel it, and it wouldn't matter who the coach is.
Had Miles stayed we would have lost more games last year. End of story. We also would lose more games this year that O will. Our staff is better than ever, but we still don't have vital pieces to win championships.
I don't care necessarily about the record as much as I care about LSU playing with a strategy, managing games correctly, actually looking like we are playing offense and a sound defense. If we do these things and lose I am ok with it. That was what was so frustrating about Miles is that we clearly were not doing all of those things and teams underachieved as a result.
I loved the way we played under O. It has been a long time since I felt like we were playing to win. If that trend continues and we lose a few more games, I'm ok with it.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:47 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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It's amazing how 7 months and a new head coach take our roster from-" as talented as any team in cfb " to-" we need more talent"
To be elite in CFB, you need a QB.
No disrespect to DE, but he is not an elite QB. It takes time to recruit and train a QB to win in the SEC. How many first year or even 2nd year starters have ever won the SEC?
I'll wait for it.
So LSU has to have time to start trying to change the worlds' mind that QB's can come here and actually throw the football. That takes time. And it takes them seeing that a change is actually happening.
And yes, last year, our roster was loaded... but today it isn't. The last few recruiting classes left a lot of gaps and there are significant problems. That is part of the downward trend that Miles was on.
If you can't see this, you are just being an idiot.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:53 pm to Mayhawman
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From highest win% in LSU FB to 7 wins.
What a coaching upgrade.
atleast we are making headway. a portion of the rant is at least starting to admit they are ok with losing 3-4 games as long as it's not with miles as head coach.
recruiting classes of 3,3,4,7 and it's ok to lose 4 games when we will be favored in every game but 1
Posted on 7/13/17 at 12:53 pm to LosTigres25
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Yes, duh?
Was Miles' QB play and play calling a problem? Yes, but everything else was in place.
Can O keep everything else in place and improve those 2 things? If so, he should win 10 games a year, starting this year and within 3 years win it all, right?
If Miles' leadership was the one thing holding LSU back as you state, then why wouldnt LSU achieve greatness with his departure?
Gosh this board is so dumb. I mean really dumb.
Everything else "was" in place. However, the last couple of years in recruiting didn't exactly address the needs and our roster is not as strong as it once was.
You are assuming that O is walking into a stacked roster with depth. It isn't there. PERIOD. So quit trying to make this simple. It isn't.
Why wouldn't we achieve greatness with a Miles departure? First of all, Miles was great. But he didn't have a QB. didn't have an OC or someone that could develop college QB's
Miles leaves. We still don't have a QB. O hires a good OC and is recruiting the hell out of the position trying to change things. IT takes time.
So, we have a depleted roster (NFL and lack of recruiting), still no QB and you think that a simple hire can change all of that in half a year?
That's why this board is dumb.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 1:05 pm to cra_cra
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To be elite in CFB, you need a QB.
that's not true.
this isnt the nfl
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No disrespect to DE, but he is not an elite QB. It takes time to recruit and train a QB to win in the SEC. How many first year or even 2nd year starters have ever won the SEC?
we were elite with Marcus randle and Jordan Jefferson.
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How many first year or even 2nd year starters have ever won the SEC?
cam newton
aj macarron
Flynn
Jalen hurts
it happens
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I'll wait for it.
no need because it's happened often in the last decade
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And yes, last year, our roster was loaded... but today it isn't
bullshite.
we have had 1 recruiting class outside the top 4 in the last 4 years.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 1:11 pm to cra_cra
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You are assuming that O is walking into a stacked roster with depth. It isn't there. PERIOD. So quit trying to make this simple. It isn't.
we've had 1 recruiting class outside the top 4 in 4 years and that ckass was 7th. it's fricking amazing how talent all the sudden disappeared the day Miles was fired. The excuses begin
Posted on 7/13/17 at 1:13 pm to Lester Earl
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How many years out of the last 17 did we replace a coach, an OC, and lose 15 players to the NFL?
And then go into the season with our best def player hurt and starting QB trying to come back from back surgery?
But ya, no, context doesn't matter at all
I agree with you and add some additional perspectives in my posts. Most of our fans just can't look at anything objectively at all.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 1:15 pm to BayouBengal99
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Really all depends how they look in their wins and loses. Miles lost many games by doing the same things over and over. He never tried anything different, he would try to let the other team tire out then come from behind. Les would also beat the brakes off of teams that just weren't ready for the physical fight. If that team was ready and more prepared we lost many of these type games. There was no brains with the braun.
A team can still lose a game using all its tactics because sometimes the other team is just better that day because of multiple reasons. TAs, Penelties, mistakes, etc. Not many teams are built better than LSU roster for roster.
The FL game last year is a perfect example of losing a game you really win sometimes. I can deal with some of these loses until O changes the culture and gets his type of player here. We still have Miles and Cam's QB here as well. I'm giving the man a chance to fill the weak areas Miles left like OT, QB and MLB with the prospects he wants. We would give any other coach this chance. Frick u if you can't give O this same chance.
Nail on the head!!
Posted on 7/13/17 at 1:16 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 7/13/17 at 1:17 pm to cra_cra
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Had Miles stayed we would have lost more games last year. End of story. We also would lose more games this year that O will.
You can't defend O with a "Miles would have lost more games." There's no "End of Story," no evidence, no guarantee.
Just like there's no guarantee Miles has the same record as O to end last season, or the O can win the games Miles didn't early last season. As much as those are fun to think, they hold no value.
I hope this doesn't turn into a common retort with O if he's still here in 3-4 season "Yeah, but no way Miles wins that game either!"
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 1:20 pm to dukke v
I'm sorry you don't like facts.
It's laughable to see this,"We have no talent" bullshite claim. we have had great recruiting classes the last 4 years. it's incredible how lsu went from," as much talent as anyone" to " week we have to give time to get talent"
It's utter bullshite. there is enough talent on this team to win 10 games. if we win 8 games it will be a failure on the coaches part.
It's laughable to see this,"We have no talent" bullshite claim. we have had great recruiting classes the last 4 years. it's incredible how lsu went from," as much talent as anyone" to " week we have to give time to get talent"
It's utter bullshite. there is enough talent on this team to win 10 games. if we win 8 games it will be a failure on the coaches part.
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