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Russian adoption ban (Herod's Law) = current "code talk" for Pedogate?

Posted on 7/9/17 at 8:45 pm
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 7/9/17 at 8:45 pm
I have chronicled the Strongville, OH story(below) in the past, but did not know the weird "adjunctive background" behind the Russian adoption ban

TL/DR: below is a post from another site discussing the Putin adoption ban being passed on the feast of the Holy Innocents, which commemorates the massacre of the infant boys. The law is referred to as Herod's law.

View the most recent Russian "controversy" through this lens and also zoom out on the Russian situation overall....

Embedded links (to Child's Rights International Network) embedded at site with original post


voat.co

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This discussion is related to the adoption ban which Putin signed law in December, 2012, called the Dima Yakovlev Law (named after a Russian orphan who died after being left in locked care for several hours by his adopted father in Herndon, Virginia) which was Russia's response to numerous deaths of adopted Russian orphans in America and an effort to impose tighter controls on adoptions. The ban also imposed restrictions on NGO's operating in Russia.

One tragic case was the death of a nine-year old Russian boy, Anton Fomin, who died in a fire in Nebraska in May, 2012, the circumstances of which are under investigation because the boy who was locked in the basement of the house and was all alone when he died.

A Yahoo report said the incident triggered growing concerns in the Russian govt about the fate of Russian adopted children in the U.S.:

According to Russian officials, at least 17 adopted Russian children have died due to domestic violence at the hand of their adoptive American families in recent years. The country has long demanded that the U.S. tighten controls to prevent the neglect and abuse of Russian adopted kids.

Three adoption agencies were banned at the time, one of those being the European Adoption Consultants agency, whose headquarters in Stongsville, OH, was the subject of an FBI raid and investigative probe for human trafficking violations and for selling children to international pedophile rings.

The EAC is currently being sued by the Ohio Attorney General, Mike DeWine.

The 2013 Russian ban on adoptions in America was followed by a storm of criticism in Russia, including protests on the street against "Herod's Law" , so called because President Putin signed the measure into law on Dec. 28, the feast of the Holy Innocents, which commemorates the massacre of the infant boys in Bethlehem by King Herod in his desire to eradicate the new-born Messiah.

The editor of the Echo from Moscow, Russian radio station, the famous reactionary Alexe Venediktov said on air:

This law is morally and ethically abominable. It is cannibalistic because it condemns a certain number of children—even if it is a small one—to death.”
Mr Venediktov’s comment reflected not only the attitude of the opposition but also that of a large part of the Russian elite. Even some of Mr Putin’s own ministers objected to the law.

Certainly a strange choice of words, if nothing else. That a law seeking to increase governmental oversight over the foreign adoption of Russian orphans is characterized as "cannibalistic" is puzzling and bizarre, to say the least, esp. since President Putin also included an executive order with the ban to improve domestic adoption programs, measures which were apparently long overdue:

On the day he endorsed the adoption ban, Putin signed an executive order aimed at improving support for domestic adoptions and foster care arrangements, simplifying adoption procedures, and changing attitudes in Russia about adoption. The order also calls for introducing tax breaks for Russians who adopt orphaned children, increasing salaries for orphanage staff, and increasing monthly state welfare payments for children with disabilities and those who care for children with disabilities.

The recent revelation that Donald Trump, Jr., Jared Kushner, and Paul Manafort allegedly met with a Russian lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, in July of last year specifically to discuss the controversial Russian adoption ban, is highly intriguing and may be a key development in the pedogate investigation, I believe, because of its possible connection to child trafficking and international pedophile rings. The NY Times has reported Trump's eldest son was promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton would be revealed at the meeting.

This post was edited on 8/3/17 at 5:10 pm
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 8:38 am to
nymag - not a proTrump outfit

quote:

Donald Trump Jr.’s ‘Denials’ of Russian Collusion Are Actually Confessions


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After the New York Times reported Saturday that Donald Jr. had met with Russian officials during the campaign, contradicting his previous statement, he explained that the meeting concerned nothing more serious than the issue of adoptions. “It was a short introductory meeting. I asked Jared and Paul to stop by. We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago and was since ended by the Russian government, but it was not a campaign issue at the time and there was no follow up.”


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“After pleasantries were exchanged,” he said, “the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton. Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information.”



This timeline below is extremely interesting...

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Trump Jr.’s latest defense is that while he sought damaging information from Veselnitskaya, she failed to deliver any. However, the timing of events around this meeting is instructive. The hacker Guccifer announced the theft of Clinton emails the month before, and Guccifer’s only publicly known connection to Russia was his use of Russian proxy servers. But three days after the meeting with the Trump campaign, Julian Assange, Putin’s pass-through publishing source for email hacks, announced, “We have upcoming leaks in relation to Hillary Clinton … We have emails pending publication, that is correct.”


Just a reminder about Guccifer, in his own words...



The letter used to be hosted at foxnews, but now the image no longer loads (at least for me) ( LINK)
Posted by Winthrop Fairbanks
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 7:25 pm to
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This discussion is related to the adoption ban which Putin signed law in December, 2012, called the Dima Yakovlev Law (named after a Russian orphan who died after being left in locked care for several hours by his adopted father in Herndon, Virginia) which was Russia's response to numerous deaths of adopted Russian orphans in America and an effort to impose tighter controls on adoptions.


This is demonstrably false. The ban was a response to the U.S. passing the Magnitsky Act.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 7/21/17 at 12:45 am to
Washington Examiner

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Trump says he spoke with Putin about 'adoptions' during second, undisclosed meeting at G-20 Summit


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President Trump on Wednesday downplayed his second, undisclosed meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin, saying they spoke for about 15 minutes, mostly about "pleasantries." In an interview with the New York Times, Trump also acknowledged he spoke with Putin "about adoptions."


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Putin banned American adoptions of Russian children in 2012 after the U.S. enacted sanctions on Russians accused of human rights abuses. Donald Trump Jr., the president's eldest son, has said the adoption issue dominated his June 2016 meeting with a Russian lawyer who promised damaging information on Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee for president. Trump told the Times it was "interesting" that the topic of adoptions came up in the Putin conversation. "I actually talked about Russian adoption with him [Putin],'' he said, "Which is interesting because it was a part of the conversation that Don had in that meeting."
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 4:53 pm to
"cool, some legitimate discussion about the Russian adoption fight!"

Posted by Decatur
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 5:20 pm to
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Russian adoption ban (Herod's Law) = current "code talk" for Pedogate?


Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 5:20 pm to
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Certainly a strange choice of words, if nothing else. That a law seeking to increase governmental oversight over the foreign adoption of Russian orphans is characterized as "cannibalistic" is puzzling and bizarre, to say the least, esp. since President Putin also included an executive order with the ban to improve domestic adoption programs, measures which were apparently long overdue:
A strange choice of words by a Russian who is described as:
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The editor of the Echo from Moscow, Russian radio station, the famous reactionary Alexe Venediktov said on air:
Seems like a choice of words from someone who is "famously reactionary," especially since this was done for political reasons.

But I'm not sure I understand your point. Are there bad people who do bad things to others, including children, adopted or otherwise? Well yes. We should by all means proactively address this, and punish those who do it anyways but I suspect this:
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According to Russian officials, at least 17 adopted Russian children have died due to domestic violence at the hand of their adoptive American families in recent years.
is an inflated figure, coming from a dishonest and corrupt government. And even then, it's probably a small percentage of adoptions. And overall US adoptions have been a overwhelming net positive for the adopted children.

I mean I believe LSURussian helped a poster here with a Russian adoption, and it's quite a uplifting story all around. And I know of a number of people who have foreign adoptions with similarly positive results.

Since maybe I'm just confused about what you're implying, but know that so much good has happened from these, I find this your stance to he potentially concerning.
Posted by AUstar
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 5:33 pm to
Posted by NewGrad1212
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Posted on 8/4/17 at 12:11 am to
Even though your posts are fringe, I must say you provide info to back up your claims.

It makes for an interesting read and I hope you keep it coming!

Keep fighting the good fight!
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 4/16/20 at 8:48 am to
Bumped for more background on Pedogate and the players /ideology involved...
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