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Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:57 pm to bmy
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Let's not act like mountaintop removal, logging, etc. are clean either.
not to digress too much but modern logging is both clean and sustainable.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:58 pm to texag7
Can't the factories be used to produce new battery technologies? Are they somehow locked in to producing the same kind of batteries for the foreseeable future?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:00 pm to rbWarEagle
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Yeah, SpaceX is such an obvious long-con. Just a billionaire moocher! Sad!
Like I said, ultimate con man
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SpaceX, Musk's rocket company, got $20 million in economic development subsidies from Texas to construct a launch facility in the state.
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This, however, is separate from incentives that SpaceX won totaling more than $5.5 billion in government contracts from NASA and the U.S. Air Force.
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Elon Musk funded his massive business empire with $4.9 billion in government subsidies leaving the U.S. taxpayer to shoulder much of the cost
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"He definitely goes where there is government money," said Dan Dolev, an analyst at Jefferies Equity Research. "That's a great strategy, but the government will cut you off one day."
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But public subsidies for Musk's companies stand out both for the amount, relative to the size of the companies, and for their dependence on them. "Government support is a theme of all three of these companies, and without it none of them would be around," said Mark Spiegel, a hedge fund manager for Stanphyl Capital Partners
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Included in the local subsidies is a 15-year property tax break from the local school district worth $3.1 million to SpaceX.
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In a 2008 blog post, Musk laid out a plan: After the sports car, Tesla would produce a sedan costing "half the $89k price point of the Tesla Roadster and the third model will be even more affordable." In fact, the second model now typically sells for $100,000, and the much-delayed third model, the Model X sport utility, is expected to sell for a similar price. Timing on a less expensive model — maybe $35,000 or $40,000, after subsidies — remains uncertain.
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:00 pm to Iosh
There is no sustainable production of nickel and lithium in the United States.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:04 pm to RobbBobb
Leech! Makes no progress for mankind and sucks off the government teet! Sad!
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:05 pm to texag7
So in other words we are trading one unrenewable resource for another unrenewable resourse to save the planet. Makes sense
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:06 pm to RobbBobb
Those cars will double, triple or quadruple in price in the next decade.
Look at a commodity chart for lithium. This is just with a tiny demand for electric vehicles
Look at a commodity chart for lithium. This is just with a tiny demand for electric vehicles
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:03 pm to notsince98
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not to digress too much but modern logging is both clean and sustainable.
In the U.S it has come a long way. It's pathetic in most of the world. More often than not when I'm on logging sites it's an absolute shitshow.. but I do recognize that significant progress has been made so I'm grateful that we are where we are
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:06 pm to texag7
So you are saying no one at Tesla did this analysis before sinking billions of dollars into this factory. Got it.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:07 pm to Street Hawk
They've gotten $5 billion from the government dude
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:07 pm to texag7
As the demand curve shifts (increases), the price and quantity supplied will increase, unless there is a physical limitation.
When cars were first invented, I bet you couldn't find enough steel to make the quantity of cars that Ford wanted to produce. The increased demand for cars drove price of steel up, which means that more companies entered the steel market thereby increasing the quantity supplied.
When cars were first invented, I bet you couldn't find enough steel to make the quantity of cars that Ford wanted to produce. The increased demand for cars drove price of steel up, which means that more companies entered the steel market thereby increasing the quantity supplied.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:09 pm to seawolf06
Steel and lithium/cobalt are two different things.
Iron is the 4th most abundant element in Earths crust.
Not really comparable
Iron is the 4th most abundant element in Earths crust.
Not really comparable
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:10 pm to texag7
Immature lithium market and Musk seems keen on the very common lithium salt as well
Posted on 6/28/17 at 3:45 pm to RobbBobb
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Musk is the ultimate con man
Said the Trump voter
Posted on 6/28/17 at 4:05 pm to texag7
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All of the lithium and cobalt are coming from dirty mines in the Congo and China.
If only we could judge future supply by current supply...
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And they will need to be expanded vastly to meet demand
If only there was a billionaire willing to fund this...
Posted on 6/28/17 at 4:06 pm to texag7
quote:You just explained to me that "in the United States" was included in your definition of "sustainable."
There is no sustainable production of nickel and lithium in the United States.
I'm guessing this was your hamfisted attempt to beg the question.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 4:07 pm to texag7
Don't you want to save the environment? Buy a trendy new tesla cuckmobile! It's like a love child between a Miata and a Prius!
Posted on 6/28/17 at 4:07 pm to Iosh
There is no sustainable production of lithium or cobalt in the US in relation to producing batteries for electric cars.
What's your point again?
What's your point again?
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