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Was there any internal dissent in the Obama admin, or were they all borg drones?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:29 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:29 am
Despite the flippancy of the title, I am serious. I do not recall ever reading about 'factions' in the Obama admin, other than everyone hated Clinton on a personal level. But as far as having actual major ideological divisions, I don't recall reading about any.
Perhaps that was just because the press didn't feel like reporting on it? I'm legit wondering how the lefties on here feel about that, and also how the nevertrumpers here feel about the obvious differences in the Trumposphere. I don't recall ever reading about 41, 43, or Clinton having competing ideas, just really admins of yes men.
Perhaps that was just because the press didn't feel like reporting on it? I'm legit wondering how the lefties on here feel about that, and also how the nevertrumpers here feel about the obvious differences in the Trumposphere. I don't recall ever reading about 41, 43, or Clinton having competing ideas, just really admins of yes men.
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Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:30 am to cokebottleag
Michael Flynn opposed regime change in Syria and we saw what happened to him.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:30 am to cokebottleag
There were plenty of contemporaneous leaks that Clinton and Biden were essentially leaders of two internal factions arguing for/against intervention
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:33 am to Iosh
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There were plenty of contemporaneous leaks that Clinton and Biden were essentially leaders of two internal factions arguing for/against intervention
Funny how we didn't hear about it every day for five months, and counting, like we do with this admin.
Why is that you reckon?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:34 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:Obama hired better people?
Funny how we didn't hear about it every day for five months, and counting, like we do with this admin.
Why is that you reckon?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:36 am to cokebottleag
It's funny how people can interpret things in different ways
Some may be like the OP, and think that Obama must have surrounded himself with "borg drones" or "yes men"
Some may interpret it as Trump being so inept at leadership, he can't even get his own people to support him
Some may be like the OP, and think that Obama must have surrounded himself with "borg drones" or "yes men"
Some may interpret it as Trump being so inept at leadership, he can't even get his own people to support him
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:38 am to Iosh
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Obama hired better people?
Or, being known as the party of suicide by two bullets to the back of your own head, that might have some definitive bearing on the subject.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:38 am to cokebottleag
No one wanted to be called into Jarrett's office.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:39 am to Salmon
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This post was edited on 1/19/21 at 10:58 pm
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:41 am to Salmon
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It's funny how people can interpret things in different ways Some may be like the OP, and think that Obama must have surrounded himself with "borg drones" or "yes men" Some may interpret it as Trump being so inept at leadership, he can't even get his own people to support him
And some will interpret it as the leftist Mainstream Media propping up Obama for eight years and constantly attacking Trump which is the truth.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:43 am to tide06
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No one but true believers would be tolerated in a White House run by Valerie Jarrett.
Being born in Iran gave her an automatic advantage in knowing how to shut people up.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:44 am to cokebottleag
Sure. They were all human. There were no doubt skirmishes, factions, arguments, resentment, etc. It happens in every administration. You just rarely hear about it.
I think the difference with Trump is he foments some of it himself. He's said before he likes creating competing factions within his businesses. And like it or not, I think prior administrations had enough respect for the President not to spill it to the public, something Trump doesn't fully have.
I think the difference with Trump is he foments some of it himself. He's said before he likes creating competing factions within his businesses. And like it or not, I think prior administrations had enough respect for the President not to spill it to the public, something Trump doesn't fully have.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:47 am to cokebottleag
He went through 4 Secretaries of Defense, so you tell me...
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:50 am to Salmon
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Some may interpret it as Trump being so inept at leadership, he can't even get his own people to support him
This.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:53 am to tide06
and the intelligent agencies spying on everyone else....
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 8:53 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 8:54 am to Salmon
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Some may interpret it as Trump being so inept at leadership, he can't even get his own people to support him
political Rorschach's test. Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:17 am to The Spleen
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Sure. They were all human. There were no doubt skirmishes, factions, arguments, resentment, etc. It happens in every administration. You just rarely hear about it.
I think the difference with Trump is he foments some of it himself. He's said before he likes creating competing factions within his businesses. And like it or not, I think prior administrations had enough respect for the President not to spill it to the public, something Trump doesn't fully have.
Is it respect to not admit you disagree with something publicly? Not sure it is, but perhaps this is one of those 'do you see a vase or two faces' questions. It does give me some comfort that while Trump might not do what I agree with in every instance, I can see that my viewpoint was at least argued and represented, and not just lost.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:33 am to cokebottleag
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Is it respect to not admit you disagree with something publicly?
Not quite sure what you're asking here. I think the respect thing is people in the WH don't see Trump as having their back. His loyalty is to him and his family, and if it's true that he cultivates competing factions and bounces back and forth between those, how does that look for a supposed leader? How many times has he contradicted something he's sent his communications people out in public to say?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:52 am to Iosh
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Obama hired better people?
By better, you mean socialist devotees, college professors, and liberal yes men, then yeah. Part of them Dems problem is this bubble of lackeys that they've built around themselves. It's insulated then from any real introspection.
The real answer to the OP, however is the media. Internal turmoil has been a narrative since the primaries. We've read story after story about virtually every member of the trump team being in the brink of termination. Just a few weeks ago, Spicer was a dead man walking according to media reports. Today, he is rumored to be poised for a promotion.
I know you won't admit this, but the media is coordinating with Dems to destroy Trump. If they did it to Bernie, you'd have to be brain dead to think they aren't doing it to Trump.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 9:57 am to Homesick Tiger
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Why is that you reckon?
The people within those oppositing side ultimately trusted Obama's leadership? Maybe they didn't feel the need to go to the press to make sure their opinions were heard and given reasonable consideration?
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