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re: Jimmy butler to Minnesota
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:02 am to buckeye_vol
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:02 am to buckeye_vol
C'mon man You've admitted to not even watching wiggins or the t-wolves end of discussion. If all your eveluations come from numbers you have no evaluation. Numbers are subjective without context and dependent upon many variables they tell about a 5th of the story if that. You're knocking a wing who shot over 48% lol that's insane. Plus you have guys like Dennis Rodman who've led the NBA in FG% you're gonna tell me he's an efficient offensive player or an offensive asset? The reality about Wiggins is he's an A++ athlete who is an advanced defensive player for his age he's 6-8 with an above avg wingspan super quick with great speed and his jump shot has developed 3 years faster than initially expected. He's outstanding running the wing on the break and while he isn't someone who's going to tie you in knots dribbling 10-15 time to get to the hole he has a quick first step and 2 bounce explosion. He's ahead of the curve for his age both offensively and defensively and will be a great weapon alongside Jimmy Butler. Compare Wiggins to the other wings in the past 4 years (Justice, Stanley Johnson, Ingram, Parker, Brown, McDermott) none of them are even within 2 levels of Wiggins except Parker who's had the advantage of playing for a solid team and hasn't had a big a sample size cause of the injuries.
This post was edited on 6/23/17 at 1:48 am
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:46 am to Madking
quote:They may be less valuable without context, but that has nothing to do with subjectivity.
Numbers are subjective without context
quote:And athleticism is an important innate predictor of success and performance, but it's irrelevant when the performance data are available.
The reality about Wiggins is he's an A++ athlete
quote:He should be a good defender, but he's one of the worst in the league.
advanced defensive player for his age
quote:3 years? The expectation was that the a super-hyped #1 draft pick, would take 6 years to become a below league average shooter?
and his jump shot has developed 3 years faster than initially expected.
quote:No he's not, especially defensively. One of the worst defensive players in the league is not "ahead of the curve." And as the a super hyped #1 draft pick, he's far below expectations.
He's ahead of the curve for his age both offensively and defensively
quote:His value should increase because Butler should supplant Wiggins' unwarranted minutes.
and will be a great weapon alongside Jimmy Butler.
Posted on 6/23/17 at 1:58 am to Madking
quote:Giannis Antetokounmpo is clearly the best wing player from the previous 4 drafts, and Parker and Porter have been consistently better than Wiggins. So if "4th best" wing player from the last 4 drafts is a standard for a #1 super hyped draft pick, then we've really lowered the bar.
Compare Wiggins to the other wings in the past 4 years
Posted on 6/23/17 at 7:34 am to Madking
Yep. He can be Ignored IMO. Dude don't even watch the games and just googles the numbers. Absolute worse kinda fan. He has the eye test ability of a 4 year old. Anybody can google the numbers Bubba. What do you see with your talent eval abilities?
Posted on 6/23/17 at 12:32 pm to Madking
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You're knocking a wing who shot over 48% lol that's insane. Plus you have guys like Dennis Rodman who've led the NBA in FG% you're gonna tell me he's an efficient offensive player or an offensive asset? The reality about Wiggins is he's an A++ athlete who is an advanced defensive player for his age he's 6-8 with an above avg wingspan super quick with great speed and his jump shot has developed 3 years faster than initially expected. He's outstanding running the wing on the break and while he isn't someone who's going to tie you in knots dribbling 10-15 time to get to the hole he has a quick first step and 2 bounce explosion. He's ahead of the curve for his age both offensively and defensively and will be a great weapon alongside Jimmy Butler.
Again, he's not a good defender. Players shot 3.3% higher against him than they did against the rest of the league. 21st worst among players with 60 games and 7 or more FGAs defended per game, behind noted defensive stalwarts like Korver and Redick. He actually got worse than he was in 2015-16.
As far as his overall production, he was worse pretty much across the board in all metrics. His outside shooting improved slightly, but for all the improvement he made between his 1st and 2nd year in the league, at best he was flat in 2017, and at worse, he declined as a player.
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