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re: Jimmy butler to Minnesota
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:13 pm to buckeye_vol
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:13 pm to buckeye_vol
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But not abnormally young.
3rd youngest team according to this
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But LaVine only played 47 games so he was actually 5th in minutes behind Wiggins, Towns, Dieng, and Rubio (500 less than Rubio who was 4th).
i was going off MPG. He was one of their key cogs, and losing him certainly didnt help their record even being as young as they were.
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Yes. Because he has such a high usage;
PER measures efficiency, not usage or volume.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:28 pm to Lester Earl
He's a consistent scorer. But he's just not advancing in any other place. His rebounding is the same, his ast/tov are the same, and he's actually getting worse defensively.
Of players with the same or more FGA/game than him, only one player had averaged less assists.
1. Westbrook: 24.0 FGA -> 10.4 APG
2. DeRozan: 20.9 FGA -> 3.9 APG
3. Davis: 20.3 FGA -> 2.1 APG
4. Cousins: 19.9 FGA -> 4.6 APG
5. Lillard: 19.8 FGA -> 5.9 APG
6. Irving: 19.7 FGA -> 5.8 APG
7. Thomas: 19.4 FGA -> 5.9 APG
8. Wiggins: 19.1 FGA -> 2.3 APG
That's pretty bad.
Of players with the same or more FGA/game than him, only one player had averaged less assists.
1. Westbrook: 24.0 FGA -> 10.4 APG
2. DeRozan: 20.9 FGA -> 3.9 APG
3. Davis: 20.3 FGA -> 2.1 APG
4. Cousins: 19.9 FGA -> 4.6 APG
5. Lillard: 19.8 FGA -> 5.9 APG
6. Irving: 19.7 FGA -> 5.8 APG
7. Thomas: 19.4 FGA -> 5.9 APG
8. Wiggins: 19.1 FGA -> 2.3 APG
That's pretty bad.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:40 pm to Lester Earl
quote:In the 44% of minutes he played, they had a net rating of -3.5. When he was off the court, they had a net rating of +0.8. So they were 4.3 points better when he was off the court per 100 possessions. In the 47 games he played, they were 16-31 (34%), they were 15-20 in the 35 games he didn't play (42.9%).
i was going off MPG. He was one of their key cogs, and losing him certainly didnt help their record even being as young as they were.
If anything, losing him helped their record.
quote:Usage is a major component of PER. I examined the players who had 500 minutes or more during the season, and over 50% (.71 correlation) of the variance in PER can be accounted for by the usage rate alone.
PER measures efficiency, not usage or volume.
In other words, regressing usage on PER, and with a 29 usage rate, Wiggins had a predicted PER of 20.4, 3.9 points higher than his 16.5.
And I'm not the only one who has identified this relationship.
Fun With Stats: examining PER with usage rate and plus/minus
quote:Now obviously with every relationship, the more extreme the predictor, the more extreme a regression to the mean, and thus, diminishing returns.
but that it seems that in order to have a high PER, a player also needs to have a high usage rate.
Diminishing Returns for Scoring - Usage vs. Efficiency
And I think the above article relates well to Wiggins since his efficiency is largely a function of his scoring, and nothing else.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 11:48 pm
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