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Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:13 pm to
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:13 pm to
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But not abnormally young.





3rd youngest team according to this


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But LaVine only played 47 games so he was actually 5th in minutes behind Wiggins, Towns, Dieng, and Rubio (500 less than Rubio who was 4th).



i was going off MPG. He was one of their key cogs, and losing him certainly didnt help their record even being as young as they were.


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Yes. Because he has such a high usage;



PER measures efficiency, not usage or volume.
Posted by htran90
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:28 pm to
He's a consistent scorer. But he's just not advancing in any other place. His rebounding is the same, his ast/tov are the same, and he's actually getting worse defensively.

Of players with the same or more FGA/game than him, only one player had averaged less assists.

1. Westbrook: 24.0 FGA -> 10.4 APG
2. DeRozan: 20.9 FGA -> 3.9 APG
3. Davis: 20.3 FGA -> 2.1 APG
4. Cousins: 19.9 FGA -> 4.6 APG
5. Lillard: 19.8 FGA -> 5.9 APG
6. Irving: 19.7 FGA -> 5.8 APG
7. Thomas: 19.4 FGA -> 5.9 APG
8. Wiggins: 19.1 FGA -> 2.3 APG

That's pretty bad.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:40 pm to
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i was going off MPG. He was one of their key cogs, and losing him certainly didnt help their record even being as young as they were.
In the 44% of minutes he played, they had a net rating of -3.5. When he was off the court, they had a net rating of +0.8. So they were 4.3 points better when he was off the court per 100 possessions. In the 47 games he played, they were 16-31 (34%), they were 15-20 in the 35 games he didn't play (42.9%).

If anything, losing him helped their record.
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PER measures efficiency, not usage or volume.
Usage is a major component of PER. I examined the players who had 500 minutes or more during the season, and over 50% (.71 correlation) of the variance in PER can be accounted for by the usage rate alone.

In other words, regressing usage on PER, and with a 29 usage rate, Wiggins had a predicted PER of 20.4, 3.9 points higher than his 16.5.

And I'm not the only one who has identified this relationship.
Fun With Stats: examining PER with usage rate and plus/minus
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but that it seems that in order to have a high PER, a player also needs to have a high usage rate.
Now obviously with every relationship, the more extreme the predictor, the more extreme a regression to the mean, and thus, diminishing returns.

Diminishing Returns for Scoring - Usage vs. Efficiency

And I think the above article relates well to Wiggins since his efficiency is largely a function of his scoring, and nothing else.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 11:48 pm
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