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Your favorite all-tube combo amp (bang for the buck)?
Posted on 6/19/17 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 6/19/17 at 12:02 pm
I've been shopping guitar amplifiers lately and came across this Bugera V22 Infinium. Played through it and liked it a lot. Crazy cheap too at 400 bucks. I'm tempted to pull the trigger but I would kinda like to try some other comparable rigs before I commit.
Anybody have any recommendations?
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Anybody have any recommendations?
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Posted on 6/19/17 at 12:05 pm to RockAndRollDetective
Bang for the buck?
Fender Super Champ X2
Fender Super Champ X2
Posted on 6/19/17 at 1:04 pm to RockAndRollDetective
I kinda hate to admit this, but the clean tone of a Peavey Delta Blues 115, is the second best amp I've ever played. My ear likes it ALMOST as well as a Fender Twin.
Gotta start with a great clean sound, IMO.
Gotta start with a great clean sound, IMO.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 1:15 pm to RockAndRollDetective
Fender Bassbreaker 15W 1-12
It absolutely kicks arse!
It absolutely kicks arse!
Posted on 6/19/17 at 2:22 pm to RockAndRollDetective
fender hot rod deluxe
Posted on 6/19/17 at 3:37 pm to RockAndRollDetective
My guitarist went out about two years ago with a budget of $2000 to buy the best sounding tube amp he could find in NYC.
He came home with a Bugera V22. True story.
He said he tried a bunch of high-end boutique amps, and none of them sounded significantly better that the Bugera. He's still happy with his decision (partially because he took the money he saved on an amp purchase and bought a Gibson ES-335...)
He came home with a Bugera V22. True story.
He said he tried a bunch of high-end boutique amps, and none of them sounded significantly better that the Bugera. He's still happy with his decision (partially because he took the money he saved on an amp purchase and bought a Gibson ES-335...)
This post was edited on 6/19/17 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 6/19/17 at 3:54 pm to ddbnsb
quote:
Bang for the buck?
Fender Super Champ X2
Correct answer.
Not a combo, but I just got an orange micro terror and a little 8 orange cab and it is fricking awesome.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 3:58 pm to bgoodwin
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I kinda hate to admit this, but the clean tone of a Peavey Delta Blues 115, is the second best amp I've ever played
I've got the 210 version and I love it. It breaks up really early though (even on the clean channel) so it's hard to do clean tones unless you dial back the volume on your guitar. I can get some amazing crunch, overdrive, and distortion tones out of it.
This amp is small but it's fricking loud.
Some people prefer the sound of 6L6 tubes like in the fender amps though. Just depends on your style of play, guitar, and preference.
Posted on 6/19/17 at 9:39 pm to RockAndRollDetective
you're a fool if you spend $400 on that piece of shite amp
Posted on 6/20/17 at 6:53 am to monsterballads
Agreed that the Peavey Classic series amps are true sleepers. I had a 4x10 combo that was insanely akin to an old Super Reverb running clean, except the Peavey had a cool second channel to get pushed grit to gain at non-excruciating volumes. It even gave you a hernia trying to carry it, just like a real SR haha.
Similar story with the original Crate Vintage Club series that also hit the market in the mid 90s. I had a VC 1x12 that was surprisingly (and pleasantly) British through its dirty channel. Tube Crate amps are sickly undervalued on the used market thanks to their SS amps.
Keep in mind with something like that VC (blond tolex) or the original Peavey Classics (blond/tweed colored) ... those amps are all 20+ years old now and it would be wise to budget not only a tube overhaul but a bench check which may reveal a need for a filter cap replacement, possibly some other circuit upkeep swaps. That stuff won't break the bank and I'd do it in a heartbeat before I bought a newer Asian-made-chassis amp, but keep that advice in your back pocket. For ANY tube amp you buy that's in the 15, 20, 20-plus age window.
I've seen a lot of stuff online about Bugeras having spotty reliability issues. Not trying to deter you, but if it was me I'd be sure to buy one new so I'd have a warranty to cover any funny business. No way I'd go used trying to save a few bucks. You may not in the end.
Similar story with the original Crate Vintage Club series that also hit the market in the mid 90s. I had a VC 1x12 that was surprisingly (and pleasantly) British through its dirty channel. Tube Crate amps are sickly undervalued on the used market thanks to their SS amps.
Keep in mind with something like that VC (blond tolex) or the original Peavey Classics (blond/tweed colored) ... those amps are all 20+ years old now and it would be wise to budget not only a tube overhaul but a bench check which may reveal a need for a filter cap replacement, possibly some other circuit upkeep swaps. That stuff won't break the bank and I'd do it in a heartbeat before I bought a newer Asian-made-chassis amp, but keep that advice in your back pocket. For ANY tube amp you buy that's in the 15, 20, 20-plus age window.
I've seen a lot of stuff online about Bugeras having spotty reliability issues. Not trying to deter you, but if it was me I'd be sure to buy one new so I'd have a warranty to cover any funny business. No way I'd go used trying to save a few bucks. You may not in the end.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 7:15 am to FearlessFreep
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My guitarist went out about two years ago with a budget of $2000 to buy the best sounding tube amp he could find in NYC.
He came home with a Bugera V22.
the bugera line's PCB are so thin that after a while the heat from the tubes warp it... solder joints that they use are cheap and general parts are cheap. It's a cheap chinese made mass production amp.
Bugera has a PLETHORA reliability issues, bad tubes, cheap transformers, blows fuses, has a loud hum to it (louder than other tube amps)
if you own a bugera amp then you need to do 2 things:
1. Make sure your homeowners insurance is current.
2. Invest in a fire extinguisher.
Behringer owns the bugera brand and that's all you really need to know about how shitty of a product they put out.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 7:27 am
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:19 am to monsterballads
So you don't like Bugera. My OP asked a question and it wasn't whether you like Bugera. Do you have an amp suggestion per the thread subject?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 1:43 pm to RockAndRollDetective
Fellow I played with had that amp and I had to admit it did a great job for what he paid. I had a 90's British made AC30TB reissue that blew it away but we're talking bang for the buck. I've had Two Rocks, Divided by 13's, Komets, original 1960's AC30's, a Reinhardt, Matchless, original 60's plexi's and a crap load of original 50's Fender Tweed's. Some amps that stand out as sleepers or "bang for buck" amps were a 90's Ampeg R12 reissue and a 90's Carvin Vintage series (Nomad maybe?). Such a personal thing depending on what you prefer. I prefer another buddy's Carvin Vintage 16 way over the V22 because the 16 has a much sweeter, punchy, natural tube voice or "clean" to start with. The V22 blows the V16 away for higher-gain (but not "metal" hi-gain) with ch sw., bells and whistles, etc. but I don't care for any type higher-gain channel switching tones... ...and who needs a great tube amp to get metal type gain? I'd prefer to use an amp's natural gain but gigging realities makes pedals a must. If you use higher gain, ch. switching. FX loop, etc., the V22 is about as good as you'll get in the PRICE RANGE. If you prefer natural tube sound on the cheap I'd choose a Vintage 16 ($200-$275 used) with a great OD pedal. I'd also be willing to bet the Vintage 16 will last longer considering the simple design and ease of service compared to the V22. Never owned one but the best 15 to 20 watt, non-boutique combo I've heard recently is the Blackstar Artisan 15. ...and IF money is no object, best small combo IMO of this size is the Komet 19 ($3,300.00). I got to beta test the original build chassis at home for a full month and it has ruined me for life.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 6/20/17 at 3:06 pm to RockAndRollDetective
- SWR Redhead (SWR was the tits before Fender got ahold of them)
- Trace Elliott 1210 (favorite amp I ever played, heavy sumbitch...shame they're now owned by Peavey)
...aaand I just noticed this thread is NOT about bass combo amps. I'll show myself out.
P.S. Bugera's have been rumored to catch on fire. Not burn out and stop working, I'm talking about burn-your-house-down fire.
- Trace Elliott 1210 (favorite amp I ever played, heavy sumbitch...shame they're now owned by Peavey)
...aaand I just noticed this thread is NOT about bass combo amps. I'll show myself out.
P.S. Bugera's have been rumored to catch on fire. Not burn out and stop working, I'm talking about burn-your-house-down fire.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 3:31 pm to griddle
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Fender Bassbreaker 15W 1-12
same.. i really like the mid-gain stetting..
Posted on 6/20/17 at 4:28 pm to monsterballads
Eh, just reporting back his experiences. He's had zero reliability issues thus far, but then again he didn't buy it to gig regularly, mainly to record (he uses some rack -mounted modeler/preamp that sounds really good through the V22's tube section).
I'll pass on your concerns about spontaneous combustion. Now that he's moved back to his 3500 sq ft house from his modest apartment, that might be a bigger potential problem for him...
I'll pass on your concerns about spontaneous combustion. Now that he's moved back to his 3500 sq ft house from his modest apartment, that might be a bigger potential problem for him...
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 4:29 pm
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