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re: Rapid fatloss diet support thread
Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:23 pm to lsu777
Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:23 pm to lsu777
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lsu777
Thanks for the advice, I read from Lyle McDonald that you should be at under 12% body fat before bulking which is why I was trying to cut to under 12% because once you are under 12% more excess calories are partitioned as muscle, but you think that getting to 150 lbs of muscle is more important?
If I switch back to a bulk would the 5/3/1 Big but Boring routine work with the macro plan you gave me? I saw decent results in the 4 weeks I ran that system at the end of my last bulk.
EDIT: I put in the info into IF Calc and used your macro splits of 55/5/40 and 45/45/10 and it says my protein intake should be 338 grams on rest days and 392 grams on workout days. Isn't that a bit too extreme when it comes to protein intake?
This post was edited on 6/27/17 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:19 pm to goldennugget
As far as Lyle goes, his fatloss books are great but he might weigh 150lbs soaking wet, he doesn't and never has known shite about putting on muscle despite what he preaches.
As far as boring but big goes, great program and yes it would work great, so would his building the monolith template.
As far as the protein goes, I don't believe it is extreme for building muscle. Some would say it is, but I happen to follow what wendler himself says and what daunte trudal of doggcrapp training says and what Scott Stevenson of fortitude training say. If you go look at anybody that has had success adding slabs of muscle to natural lifters, they are going to say keep the protein on the very high end. The macros I gave you are actually pretty damn close to what martin berkham actually gives clients now.
Bottom line is it takes extreme measures sometimes to make the body do something it doesn't want to do, high protein is one of those things.
As far as bf% goes and bulking, martin says anything under 15% is fine but we have to take that in context. At 150 something pounds, you don't have anything to cut down to. You almost have to bulk.
Do me a favor, run the above diet with the building the monolith template and take a waist measurement before. Reset the calculator for 3 days lifting and you want to gain about .5 to .75 a week. Everything else stays the same except you can trade some carbs for fat on lifting days if you want but not more than 10%. Now take waist and arm before and after measurements. Run the program exactly like he says except do intermittent fasting on non lifting days, like 18/6 and add fasted walks in the morning if possible everyday. Now watch what happens. If you aren't gaining after 2 weeks add more fat to the last meal in the form of steak or free range eggs. If gaining too much fat, lower carbs on workout days and only eat them post workout.
It's 6 weeks, what do you have to lose? Worse thing that could happen is you get stronger but I promise you will gain like crazy, be crazy sore and look better.
As far as boring but big goes, great program and yes it would work great, so would his building the monolith template.
As far as the protein goes, I don't believe it is extreme for building muscle. Some would say it is, but I happen to follow what wendler himself says and what daunte trudal of doggcrapp training says and what Scott Stevenson of fortitude training say. If you go look at anybody that has had success adding slabs of muscle to natural lifters, they are going to say keep the protein on the very high end. The macros I gave you are actually pretty damn close to what martin berkham actually gives clients now.
Bottom line is it takes extreme measures sometimes to make the body do something it doesn't want to do, high protein is one of those things.
As far as bf% goes and bulking, martin says anything under 15% is fine but we have to take that in context. At 150 something pounds, you don't have anything to cut down to. You almost have to bulk.
Do me a favor, run the above diet with the building the monolith template and take a waist measurement before. Reset the calculator for 3 days lifting and you want to gain about .5 to .75 a week. Everything else stays the same except you can trade some carbs for fat on lifting days if you want but not more than 10%. Now take waist and arm before and after measurements. Run the program exactly like he says except do intermittent fasting on non lifting days, like 18/6 and add fasted walks in the morning if possible everyday. Now watch what happens. If you aren't gaining after 2 weeks add more fat to the last meal in the form of steak or free range eggs. If gaining too much fat, lower carbs on workout days and only eat them post workout.
It's 6 weeks, what do you have to lose? Worse thing that could happen is you get stronger but I promise you will gain like crazy, be crazy sore and look better.
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