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How do you think Trump is coming along with the swamp draining?

Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:39 pm
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
29226 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:39 pm
DJT got my vote for two reasons: I can't stand Hillary and to drain the swamp. Hillary's entitled self was kept out of office so that puts a smile on my face, but now onto the more important step: the swamp draining.

D.C. is a corrupt shitehole, how has The Donald faired in cleaning it up and what would you say his accomplishments thus far would be? And do you feel satisfied with him and his efforts thus far in this regard?
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
76541 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:40 pm to
I don't think he or anyone can make D.C. not corrupt
Posted by Toddy
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2010
27250 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:40 pm to
What EXACTLY has he drained?
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79322 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:41 pm to
Well considering Trump is already seeking a bunch of ethics waivers, including for lobbyists...not that well?
Posted by Scoop
RIP Scoop
Member since Sep 2005
44583 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:49 pm to
I would argue that the swamp has not been drained and may or not be but via Trump we see it now. He has shown us all that we live in a fantasy.

He has shown us all that we live within an orchestrated machine that serves the powerful establishment that will correct the mistakes they feel are made by the electorate.
This post was edited on 5/31/17 at 9:50 pm
Posted by KCT
Psalm 23:5
Member since Feb 2010
38911 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 9:50 pm to
The problem is, its a really big swamp. And a powerful one, too. As just one example, look at how much Senators McCain and Graham hate Trump. Not onoy are they part of the swamp, but both despise Trump on a personal level.

Those two will oppose every legislative measure Trump proposes. That's why the "Senate GOP Majority" is a misnomer, because these two alone make it a 50/50 split.

Trump has done some good work on his own, but Ryan and McConnell are betraying him. Then again, why would they want the swamp to be drained? They're part of it.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124183 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 10:28 pm to
quote:

D.C. is a corrupt shitehole, how has The Donald faired in cleaning it up and what would you say his accomplishments thus far would be? And do you feel satisfied with him and his efforts thus far in this regard?
The "corrupt shitehole" has never been this exposed, or vulnerable. In and of itself, that is an accomplishment. Trump is dragging uniparty RINOs fully out into the open. That is a major accomplishment. It is far far far to early to pass judgement on Trump as a POTUS, but considering the death match he's embroiled in, he's actually been ok so far.
Posted by airfernando
Member since Oct 2015
15248 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 10:28 pm to
A president doesn't have the ability to drain the swamp; he can only expose it, which is has done.
Posted by larry289
Holiday Island, AR
Member since Nov 2009
3858 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 10:38 pm to
He's rescinded regulations by the thousands, new regs must be offset by removal of two, his budget is calling for a cut of 30+% of EPA...that's a start.

...and no, I don't agree with everything he's doing, but not going to give up on him. Eight years of the last POS, I can stand a hell of a lot of flack at this point.

As a charter member of the old Citizens Against Government Waste (back in the 80's), there was a list published each year of every single bit of waste in the Fed. The last report I saw was back around '03 if I remember correctly. It was 8 pages (letter size), #6 font, front and back. Recollect the total being close to $750B.

Not sure if CAGW is still around.
Posted by roux
Tiger Territory
Member since Dec 2006
1596 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 10:38 pm to
I think he's trying but I doubt anyone can do it. It may seriously take a major economic collapse
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 10:49 pm to
Lets See:

6 Goldman Sachs appointments:

- Steven Mnuchin(Treasury)
- Gary Cohn(National Economic Counsel)
- Dina Powell(advisor),
- Jay Clayton(SEC Chairman)
- Steve Bannon(Chief Strategist),
- Anthony Scaramuchi(announced but not yet appointed for Director of Public liaison and government affairs, was a key advisor to the campaign)
- * Jim Donovon(turned down second in line at the Treasury)

A slew of big donors and career swamp members to positions in government

Dozens of lobbyists hired.

Doing a good job skirting its own ethics rules

A vast web of conflicts of interest.

The swamp is pretty big, I guess Trump figured the best way to curb some of its growth was to start stashing them away in his government?
This post was edited on 5/31/17 at 11:22 pm
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
29226 posts
Posted on 6/1/17 at 12:13 am to
For me he's been a real disappointment, but it's not really a shock either. Huge roll of the dice but when casting my vote I thought what the hell, YOLO right?

Candidate Trump and President Trump are two entirely different people. He's dysfunctional but I knew that going in, what I'm disappointed in is the take no prisoners burn it all to the ground candidate is more concerned about his own insecurities than the disinfranchised working class whom propelled him into office.

Even more disappointing are his supporters. Leading up to the election it really seemed like the country was ready for real tangible change, that they were ready to start holding politicians responsible for a change. That's fallen apart and most seem content to make excuses for their "side" as usual. Being against McCain gives them the false impression that they aren't partisan because they're calling someone with an R in front of their name a cuck, but at the end of the day we're back to the same partisanship us vs them mentality that we've always had, hell maybe even moreso. On both sides everyone's positions on topics isn't based on anything other than what the other side thinks about it.

Is any of it surprising? No not really. But long gone is the election night euphoria of holy shite we really might do it, and now the US is as dysfunctional as ever. But hey, it's the libs fault right?

This post was edited on 6/1/17 at 12:47 am
Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
17248 posts
Posted on 6/1/17 at 12:34 am to
He hasn't drained shite.

I am disappoint.
Posted by fargobison
Member since Aug 2011
4312 posts
Posted on 6/1/17 at 1:03 am to
Drain the swamp? Trump is a billionaire that has spent his entire life giving money to politicians for various things...he is a swamp creature. Not sure what people were expecting in the first place, that said I doubt anyone person is capable of draining it. To drain the swamp it would require a political movement unlike anything we've seen before.

Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
24190 posts
Posted on 6/1/17 at 7:58 am to
quote:

Trump exempts senior staff from ethics rules


quote:

The White House on Wednesday evening released its list of waivers to the Trump administration ethics pledge, exempting at least a dozen White House officials from the rules.

The list includes ex-lobbyists who joined the administration to work on policy areas they had covered for their K Street clients. Two comprehensive waivers give whole swaths of White House employees a waiver from the ethics pledge.

Trump’s ethics pledge, contained in an executive order, came along with promises that he would “drain the swamp” of the Washington influence industry.


Drain must be clogged.

LINK
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125454 posts
Posted on 6/1/17 at 10:14 am to
If anything he has reinforced the swamp with some of the things going on at the WH.
Posted by Quarterite
The Lower Quarter
Member since Oct 2016
959 posts
Posted on 6/1/17 at 10:26 am to
quote:

How do you think Trump is coming along with the swamp draining?


He's drowning in it.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56485 posts
Posted on 6/1/17 at 12:05 pm to
Given all the bullshite, someone is nervous
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