re: Ancient Stone Carvings-Comet(s) Hitting Earth app.10,950 BC (p14, Shermer concedes...)

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taking the procession of the equinox into account

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Didn't the Aztecs have a notion of this phenomenon also?

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was in the ancient ancient past extremely advanced before natural calamities sent us back to the Stone Age

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Mt Toba eruption issues
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Again - you are showing you aren’t well versed in this (outside of google/Wikipedia obviously)

First, Luke didn’t use the official term for governor (yes there is an official word for that position “legatus”)in Greek when describing Quirinius. He used the generic term “hegemon” meaning officer meaning he wasn’t yet governor but held a position of authority (as all people ascending ranks don’t just start at the top). This was the position the early Christians believed (Justin Martyr). So the dating based on his governorship isn’t warranted because it isn’t even stated in the text.

Second, there are several sources (Josephus, Orosius, Augustus) that indicate several local censuses were conducted locally over the years, not just on a set year.

Your argument doesn’t work. The gospels never claimed a specific year and the language/history of the Gospels don’t either.

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Just stop. Quirinius performed a Roman census, in 6 AD

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How about you stop? I just cited 3 different sources explaining how there were multiple local censuses in that area.

I also cited the actual language of the gospel to prove Luke didn’t call him the governor.

So that’s it. I’ve proven my point. You’ve done nothing but parrot low hanging skeptic fruit. And you're just flat out wrong about there being no census prior to 6AD, we have evidence of censuses in 28BC, 10BC, 8BC, 2BC etc etc

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Ancient Stone Carvings Show a Comet Swarm Hitting Earth Around 10,950 BCE Around the time civilisation changed forever.

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And this has always been Graham Hancocks timeframe for a great cataclysmic flood that wiped out advanced civilizations and sent us back to the stone age.

For his timeframe for the building of the Sphinx and great pyramids and not 2,500 BCE Egyptians who simply inherited them.

https://www.inverse.com/article/51302-ancient-astronomy-cave-painting

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Contentious Cave Art Study Claims "Ancient Zodiac" Existed 40,000 Years Ago In a bold new study, scientists attempt to rewrite the history of astronomy.

By Sarah Sloat on November 29, 2018
Filed Under Art, Astronomy, Evolution, History & Stars

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The Greek astronomer Hipparchus, who lived around 120 BCE, usually gets credit for discovering the equinoxes and their relationship to the zodiac constellations. But in a controversial new study, researchers point to ancient cave paintings as proof that people who lived nearly 40,000 years ago already had this advanced knowledge of astronomy. If true, this theory would dramatically change the timeline of humanity’s understanding of the natural world.

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First author Martin Sweatman, Ph.D., is confident that his paper can dramatically alter our understanding of the ancient world and modern-day academic principles. In the Athens Journal of History paper, he and co-author Alistair Coombs claim that depictions of animals in well-studied ancient cave paintings in France and Spain prove that Hipparchus was tens of thousands years late to the astronomy game. “Basically, we have defined a new research area — the evolution of an ancient zodiac,” Sweatman tells Inverse. “It also has implications for the origin of writing, science, mathematics, and astronomy of course. It has implications for the origin and evolution of religion.”

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Study is being criticized

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Sweatman and Coombs argue that cave-dwelling humans who made art in the Chauvet cave of northern Spain, the Lascaux site in France, and Neolithic sites like Göbekli Tepe, had figured out the equinox and constellations long before Hipparchus and the Babylonians.

“Our work essentially proves the animal symbols used in Paleolithic cave art represent star constellations,” Sweatman says. “We know this, because when we compare the dates of this art, determined by the radiocarbon method, with our predictions based on our zodiacal method, we find an extraordinary level of agreement for all European Paleolithic art.”

They claim that the cave art in Chauvet, Lascaux, and Göbekli Tepe doesn’t just depict any animals — they depict animal-shaped constellations, the same ones Hipparchus spotted in 120 BC. The Lascaux shaft scene, for example, shows four figures of animals and three geometric shapes and dates to about 15,200 BCE. In the paper, Sweatman argues this scene actually shows four animal-shaped constellations corresponding to the solstices and equinoxes — and may also commemorate a comet strike.

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In turn, their theory goes, the overlap of these dates and the creation of the animal cave art means that ancient humans used zodiac constellations to record dates and understand the passing of time. Sweatman figures that people could have defined dates within an accuracy window of 250 years. If so, that would be an unprecedented level of human sophistication for such an early stage of our evolution.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/cave-paintings-suggest-ancient-humans-230600479.html

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Cave Paintings Suggest Ancient Humans Undersood the Stars Much Better Than We Thought David Grossman David Grossman
Popular Mechanics
November 29, 2018, 5:06 PM CST

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This determination was made through a combination of radiocarbon dating and studying the atmospheric history. Around the same time "The Shaft Scene" was being made, a climate change event was recorded in a Greenland ice core, ancient ice which has stored climate records for over 100,000 years.

Through dating the paints of the drawings, scientists were able to find when they were applied to the walls. Using powerful computer programs, they were able to compare these dates to the predicted positions of the stars.

Researchers now believe that several ancient cave paintings were made in recognition of climate change events. Specifically, the stone pillars at Göbekli Tepe, a mysterious archaeological site in southeastern Turkey, with a focus on one known as Pillar 43, "can be viewed as a memorial to the proposed Younger Dryas event [a period of abrupt climate change 14,500 years ago]," they say in their paper, available in preprint on arXiv.

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“climate change events” , these frickers

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"Early cave art shows that people had advanced knowledge of the night sky within the last ice age," says Martin Sweatman, of the University of Edinburgh's School of Engineering, who led the study, in a press statement. "Intellectually, they were hardly any different to us today."

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All joking aside, the implications are pretty profound...

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Mt Toba eruption issues

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Thanks for that - I have been trying to search for the bottleneck phenomenon, but was using 'choke-point' and getting nowhere!!!!

This is what I roughly recalled in the other thread about descent from one pair of parents. I think it takes far more than one pair to produce a sustainable population - to wit:

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According to the genetic bottleneck theory, between 50,000 and 100,000 years ago, human populations sharply decreased to 3,000–10,000 surviving individuals.[31][32] It is supported by some genetic evidence suggesting that today's humans are descended from a very small population of between 1,000 and 10,000 breeding pairs that existed about 70,000 years ago.[33][s

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Seems consistent with the theory that mankind was in the ancient ancient past extremely advanced before natural calamities sent us back to the Stone Age

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Well that’s relative. Could a civilization have been “extremely advanced” for their time compared to what we imagine they were now? Sure that could be a possibility.

I doubt anywhere near civilization anytime in the past 2000 years or so.

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I've never heard of that before now. Is it the PC way of saying BC?

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Libs love renaming and redefining things as a way of manipulating thought.

So let’s play their game.

BCE stands for Before Christ Existed.

CE stands for Christ Existed.