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re: Chicago Airport Policeman Suspended after Dragging Man off Plane
Posted on 4/10/17 at 4:59 pm to Navytiger74
Posted on 4/10/17 at 4:59 pm to Navytiger74
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Where's Errrwhere and crew to tell me how he should have just STFU and done what he was told without giving any backtalk or explanation. I mean as soon as a cop enters the room, civilians may as well basically consider themselves under martial law amiright?
Can't speak for everyone else but as for me.
frick that shite.
This was dumb. If United can't get a soul on the plan to do it for $800, it's on United to up the ante. Not for them to just say, "oh fricking well.......we pick you".
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Posted on 4/10/17 at 4:59 pm to mmcgrath
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And that is a valid concern that can affect what airline someone chooses.
and i will reasonably assess that if i fight with the police aboard any flight, i will not win.
all the airlines would bump someone
all the airlines would call authorities to remove someone refusing to leave a plane
you can hate the policy, and i wont blame you, but this policeman and this passenger were the two that made it unique. united couldve handled things better but generally speaking youd get the same out of any carrier in that spot more or less.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:01 pm to ShortyRob
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Can't speak for everyone else but as for me.
frick that shite.
This was dumb. If United can't get a soul on the plan to do it for $800, it's on United to up the ante. Not for them to just say, "oh fricking well.......we pick you".
By what authority do you pronounce what United should and shouldn't do with its property?
ETA if excessive force was used, that's a separate issue
This post was edited on 4/10/17 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:01 pm to jchamil
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This story wouldn't cross my mind if I were booking a flight tomorrow. Does United have departure/arrival times that most conveniently fit my schedule? If yes, United is the airline I'm booking my flight with
frick that.
If the Airline takes the position that it's just going to bump people because it's too fricking cheap to pay the market rate to NOT have to frick me.......I'm taking my business elsewhere.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:02 pm to uway
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By what authority do you pronounce what United should and shouldn't do with its property?
Try paying for any other time sensitive service, have the servicer NOT support the service and see how well that servicer does in court.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:04 pm to ShortyRob
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Try paying for any other time sensitive service, have the servicer NOT support the service and see how well that servicer does in court.
Even with a refund?
Even so, how can you think United doesn't have a right to decide who does and doesn't get to be on any particular flight?
It's crazy to me that people think an airline should either pay whatever exhorbitant amount demanded or else fart around all day waiting for someone to get off the plane after being ordered to.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:04 pm to ShortyRob
quote:Don't confuse this with the right to refuse service where, if I show up needing to fly but without a ticket, they might tell me I'm shite outta luck.
By what authority do you pronounce what United should and shouldn't do with its property?
This is me paying someone for the right to fly from point A to point B at X time. They TAKE my payment which, quite obviously, is an agreement to serve.
At that point, if they want to violate their terms of the agreement, it's on THEM to satisfy me, not the other way around.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:07 pm to uway
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Even with a refund?
Yep.
Go order a wedding cake. Pay for it.
And then have them call you 20 minutes before the wedding and tell you, "whoops, can't get it to you......here's your refund".
That baker is gonna be on the hook for more than the refund.
quote:Cause they contracted with the person to be on the flight.
Even so, how can you think United doesn't have a right to decide who does and doesn't get to be on any particular flight?
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It's crazy to me that people think an airline should either pay whatever exhorbitant amount demanded or else fart around all day waiting for someone to get off the plane after being ordered to.
You can use the word "exhorbitant" all you want but hell, some might think $800 meets that standard.
They contracted to provide the service.
Spend what it takes to provide it.
This doc is going to take them to court.
He's going to win.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:07 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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mean other passengers.
They weren't passengers, employees. That's the fricked part. He wasn't giving his seat up to other passengers. It was to employees of the fricking airline. So yes, he is more important as a paying customer than your slap dick employees that you can't get to Louisville when you own a fricking airline.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:08 pm to dgnx6
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They weren't passengers, employees. That's the fricked part. He wasn't giving his seat up to other passengers. It was to employees of the fricking airline.
Which is why not only is he going to win.........he's going to win in court and make it hurt.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:11 pm to DawgsLife
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Keep in mind....if they are going to fix a grounded airplane, they dealing with a tight time crunch. They had an aircraft about to leave...what they did makes sense. They just should have handled it better. Believe me, if they were going to fix a grounded airplane, they were paying mechanics. Probably double time. Sending four? My guess would be to change an engine out. Then they have an aircraft that is sitting on the ground with stranded passengers, and then more passengers waiting on the aircraft to get to wherever it was flying. Then more waiting on the next leg, and the next leg. they potentially could be stranding hundreds of passengers. They want to get that aircraft back in the air as quickly as possible.
It was a flight crew. Not mechanics. And they could have flown them on another airline, they could have used a corporate jet (this plane was leaving chicago, which is their HQ), etc.
They made the decision that was the cheapest for them - at that moment. In the end, it will cost them a lot more.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:11 pm to ShortyRob
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This was dumb. If United can't get a soul on the plan to do it for $800, it's on United to up the ante. Not for them to just say, "oh fricking well.......we pick you".
While true, I do know there is a cap that they will offer.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:16 pm to ShortyRob
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Try paying for any other time sensitive service, have the servicer NOT support the service and see how well that servicer does in court.
Problem it is a contract, and the airline is within that contract to bump you. Every airline can and does this. But before you get on the airlines TOO much, this situation was created by the passengers, when they book several flights at a time and then don't show up for them.
The airlines do a lot of things I don't agree with, but overbooking is not one of them. Almost every single flight is overbooked, but very few get into a bump situation. What does that tell you?
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:18 pm to ShortyRob
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This is me paying someone for the right to fly from point A to point B at X time.
And there is what you don't understand. You are saying you want to go on a certain flight...but the contract says they can get you there within a one year time frame. I know it sounds crazy, but that is the way it is.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:20 pm to ShortyRob
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Yep.
Go order a wedding cake. Pay for it.
And then have them call you 20 minutes before the wedding and tell you, "whoops, can't get it to you......here's your refund".
That baker is gonna be on the hook for more than the refund.
quote:
Even so, how can you think United doesn't have a right to decide who does and doesn't get to be on any particular flight?
Cause they contracted with the person to be on the flight.
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It's crazy to me that people think an airline should either pay whatever exhorbitant amount demanded or else fart around all day waiting for someone to get off the plane after being ordered to.
You can use the word "exhorbitant" all you want but hell, some might think $800 meets that standard.
They contracted to provide the service.
Spend what it takes to provide it.
This doc is going to take them to court.
He's going to win.
Does the contract with the airline not stipulate that you can be removed in the event of overbooking?
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:21 pm to DawgsLife
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And there is what you don't understand. You are saying you want to go on a certain flight...but the contract says they can get you there within a one year time frame. I know it sounds crazy, but that is the way it is.
The guy will probably lose if he sues the airline because of this contract. The wedding cake baker has no such contract with such language.
But doctors can be vindictive dudes. With money. He may drag United legally and PR wise through the mud here. Again, this decision will cost United.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:22 pm to ShortyRob
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Which is why not only is he going to win.........he's going to win in court and make it hurt.
He will not win. Trust me. The airline will probably offer him one or more free flights, but if he tries to sue he will not win. He has a contract, and the airline did not violate that contract. He might have a beef with the cops....but they can come back with he was resisting a police officer.
Gotta run for the night...but I saw this thread, and wanted to straighten some misconceptions out.
Again....United should have handled it better, however, they may have done everything they could have. I don't know what their cap was they could offer. Bad situation all the way around.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:24 pm to LSUFanHouston
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The guy will probably lose if he sues the airline because of this contract.
He will.
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He may drag United legally and PR wise through the mud here. Again, this decision will cost United.
Yes it will and i expect they will offer him a lot to make this go away.
Gotta run, but if anybody has any questions, go ahead and post them. I will get back on in the morning and try to answer to the best of my ability. Have a good evening!
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:24 pm to ShortyRob
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This was dumb. If United can't get a soul on the plan to do it for $800, it's on United to up the ante. Not for them to just say, "oh fricking well.......we pick you".
Especially as passengers can legally demand up to $1300. United was being cheap and they will pay the price.
Posted on 4/10/17 at 5:25 pm to anc
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The officer was later suspended, rightfully so, because the man was not being difficult, he claimed he could not leave because he had patients to see this morning.
Would it have been "rightfully so" to suspend him if he was a garbage man that said tomorrow was trash day?
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