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re: CA may not require bail
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:36 pm to conservativewifeymom
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:36 pm to conservativewifeymom
Lots of places do Recog bonds. This isn't new.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:37 pm to NYNolaguy1
Bail is set according to the gravity of the alleged crimes. So yes, once bail is set for an arrested individual there is indication of a crime having been committed. What does bail have to do with the alleged criminal's income?!?! It's nothing but a bs, pc move.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:39 pm to conservativewifeymom
But that doesn't mean that the person accused did the crime.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:39 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
And bail based on your own recognisince should be more prevalent for people that most likely wont offend again and likely will show up.
It keeps people out of jails, allows the people that really need to be in the jail rather than the prison in jail, and saves the county/parish jail money and is much more effective at rehabilitation.
These are actually conservative principles.
It keeps people out of jails, allows the people that really need to be in the jail rather than the prison in jail, and saves the county/parish jail money and is much more effective at rehabilitation.
These are actually conservative principles.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:39 pm to TN Bhoy
quote:that's only in the eyes of the law. They're criminals if they committed crime. Need to comprehend the difference between law and reality.
They're not criminals until after they've been proven guilty in court in the American system...
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:39 pm to conservativewifeymom
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So yes, once bail is set for an arrested individual there is indication of a crime having been committed.
see, this is why warping the bail system is terrible. you believe this propaganda and are taking it to higher levels, even
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What does bail have to do with the alleged criminal's income?
makes it more likely that innocent people don't have to lose their lives and get forced into pleas simply because they can't post bail
do you believe that innocent people are in jail? do you believe it's right to keep those people in jail simply because they can't post high bail amounts?
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:41 pm to conservativewifeymom
I always figured this was a troll account, but damn this thread is too on the nose.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:41 pm to TN Bhoy
I UNDERSTAND that! Once again I ask you, what does bail amount have to do with the accused individual's bail?!?! And, new question, why the emphasis on release based on risk to community if bail is already set at levels to match gravity of ALLEGED crime?!
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:42 pm to Ham Malone
This coming from someone whose account is 'Ham' Malone?!?!
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:43 pm to conservativewifeymom
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Bail is set according to the gravity of the alleged crimes. So yes, once bail is set for an arrested individual there is indication of a crime having been committed. What does bail have to do with the alleged criminal's income?!?! It's nothing but a bs, pc move.
People who are innocent or are guilty of lower offenses but over charged yet can't afford bail are taking bad deals that people with means are able to fight and avoid.
It creates a terrible cycle which has a dramatic effect on the nuclear family that conservatives preach about constantly. There's a massive butterfly affect for poor people that are charged with a crime that doesn't affect those with means.
It's a problem that needs to be addressed and if it can be remedied by keeping the public safe and reducing cost, how is this a bad thing?
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
Propaganda is what CA is doing.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:44 pm to conservativewifeymom
This kind of stuff, you'd have to be incredible at trolling to come up with some of these nonsensical responses.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:44 pm to KosmoCramer
'butterfly affect?!?!?' What the heck does that mean?
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:45 pm to Ham Malone
And you are right on topic!!!
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:45 pm to conservativewifeymom
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based on their 'risk to public safety
That should go well.
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bail based on the defendant's income
Yay! More income redistribution!
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:45 pm to conservativewifeymom
All of your arguments in this thread are about how California is putting criminals over victims. That only makes sense if you're arguing from the standpoint that people are guilty until proven innocent or just fundamentally misunderstand how bail is supposed to work.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:46 pm to conservativewifeymom
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CA may not require bail
Good. Cause I'm damn sure not paying a penny to get her crazy arse out.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:47 pm to conservativewifeymom
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once bail is set for an arrested individual there is indication of a crime having been committed.
You'd be horrified as to the reason why some people are arrested.
Often times it has nothing to do with what happened and everything to do with what the police officers want. Cash, cars, jewelry, have all been seized after BS arrests because the officers wanted some random citizen's property.
LINK
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Eh Wah had been on the road for 12 hours when he saw the flashing lights in his rear-view mirror.
The 40-year-old Texas man, a refugee from Burma who became a U.S. citizen more than a decade ago, was heading home to Dallas to check on his family. He was on a break from touring the country for months as a volunteer manager for the Klo & Kweh Music Team, a Christian rock ensemble from Burma, also known as Myanmar. The group was touring the United States to raise funds for a Christian college in Burma and an orphanage in Thailand.
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The sheriff's deputies in Muskogee County, Okla., pulled Eh Wah over for a broken tail light about 6:30 p.m. on Feb. 27. The deputies started asking questions — a lot of them. And at some point, they brought out a drug-sniffing dog, which alerted on the car. That's when they found the cash, according to the deputy's affidavit.
There was the roughly $33,000 from ticket sales and donations, much of it earmarked for the religious college back in Burma, according to Eh Wah and the band members.
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The officers ended up taking all of the money — all $53,249 of it. "Possession of drug proceeds," the property receipt reads. But they let Eh Wah go. They didn't charge him with a crime that night, instead sending him back on the road about 12:30 a.m., with the broken tail light.
The Klo & Kweh Music Team performs a concert in Nashville in February. (Photo courtesy of Eh Wah)
What happened to Eh Wah is known as civil asset forfeiture. It comes from a relatively obscure corner of the law that allows authorities to seize cash and property from people they suspect of a crime. In most states, and under federal law, authorities get to keep the proceeds regardless of whether the person is ever convicted, or even charged, with criminal wrongdoing.
Under civil forfeiture, the burden of proof is on the property owner to prove their innocence to get their stuff back. This turns the common criminal-law principle on its head: When it comes to civil forfeiture, you are guilty until proven innocent.
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Muskogee County authorities eventually charged Eh Wah with a crime, five weeks after he was stopped. They issued a warrant for his arrest April 5, for the crime of "acquir[ing] proceeds from drug activity, a felony." For probable cause, the authorities noted the positive alert from the drug dog, "inconsistent stories" and said Eh Wah was "unable to confirm the money was his."
If you read through the story, the reason they arrested him was because they wanted leverage over the cash they seized. Stop fighting the cash seizure, and they drop the charges.
It's nothing short of armed robbery.
My point of this long post is to make sure you realize arrests have very little to do with guilt, or lack thereof.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:48 pm to TigerTattle
Whew, thank you! Clear for all to see, IF they're willing to see it.
Posted on 4/3/17 at 8:49 pm to conservativewifeymom
Kosmo is nailing it. Both on the stats, and the conservative theory.
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