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Employee surveillance gone too far?

Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:49 am
Posted by LSU Fan SLU Grad
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2006
4893 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:49 am
Trained a new employee yesterday. His previous job ended badly when he was confronted by the owner and his boss asking why he spent 3 hours at a competitor's facility. Turns out his employer was tracking his company phone via GPS. Note: he took a vacation day when on the interview.

Thoughts?
Posted by tke857
Member since Jan 2012
12195 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:50 am to
I would have told my boss I was scoping out the competition.
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
Member since Sep 2006
167510 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:50 am to
Why did he take a company phone on his day off to a job interview?
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83631 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:50 am to
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company phone


no issues

if I had a company phone, I would assume my company could track me, just like I assume they can track me when I'm in the company truck

Posted by guedeaux
Tardis
Member since Jan 2008
13616 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:50 am to
quote:

Thoughts?


He should turn his work phone off when taking PTO.
Posted by Displaced
Member since Dec 2011
32719 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:51 am to
If it is a company phone, that is their right to do so.

My guess is that they have had problems in the past with employees going on long "sales calls" or something.
This post was edited on 3/14/17 at 8:52 am
Posted by ThatMakesSense
Fort Lauderdale
Member since Aug 2015
14832 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:52 am to
quote:

His previous job ended badly when he was confronted by the owner and his boss asking why he spent 3 hours at a competitor's facility.


He told you this? Dumb dumb stupidhead didn't even learn.
Posted by Scooba
Member since Jun 2013
19999 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:52 am to
quote:

Turns out his employer was tracking his company phone via GPS


Your new employee isn't too bright.
Posted by LSUwag
Florida man
Member since Jan 2007
17319 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:55 am to
My previous employer tracked our phones, cars, land line phone calls, computers and building movements.
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
Member since Jul 2009
14899 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:56 am to
if you think you have any privacy while driving someone else's car, talking on their phone, or sending email on their computer you are sadly mistaken.
Posted by Dont_Call_Me_RAY
Member since Feb 2017
1439 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 9:12 am to
You may want to track your new employee
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82061 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 10:24 am to
Yeah this is fricked up. If it were on company time, I could see the issue. Did he have something in his contract preventing him of doing so?

As for people asking why would he need his phone, that's a bit silly. When I'm on vacation my work phone is always with me, even if I don't pick up the phone I like to keep up instead of having to come back to a lot. I'll be traveling to Dallas for an interview next week and I'll have my work phone with me (obviously off during the interview).

I think OP's employee is not telling the full story.
Posted by Sidicous
Middle of Nowhere
Member since Aug 2015
17279 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 11:23 am to
Wanna have some fun at work?

Flip the script on company surveillance by reminding the management that your state is a 1 party notice state on recording conversations. Watch them scramble and trip all over themselves to get out of the room and draft some new policies and procedures on recording on the job.
Posted by Yewkindewit
Near Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
20091 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 12:01 pm to
When I worked for a large corp I refused a company phone. I know they listened in on calls and watched us on Computer cams and had hidden cams installed along with listening eqpt in and around gathering places, i.e.: lounges and water fountains.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67593 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:04 pm to
quote:

Trained a new employee yesterday. His previous job ended badly when he was confronted by the owner and his boss asking why he spent 3 hours at a competitor's facility.


they only fired him because he must have sucked...you're probably wasting your time training him
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
8539 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 2:06 pm to
He did it on his own time so I am not sure why the boss at his previous employer was upset? I would have handed him his phone and quit on the spot when confronted ,because being tracked after taking a vacation day is not right. It would be one thing if the guy took the interview while on the clock ,but taking a vacation day to do it is perfectly fine. I don't understand people who think that loyalty is owed to anyone in the business world. If someone gets another offer they should at least listen.
This post was edited on 3/14/17 at 2:07 pm
Posted by Tempratt
WRMS Girls Soccer Team Kicks arse
Member since Oct 2013
13442 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 4:10 pm to
Right to work and right to fire.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
114059 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 4:41 pm to
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Thoughts?



Why the frick would he take a company vehicle to a job interview?

As for as surveillance going too far.. Its the company's truck, they can do whatever they want with it. If people who are issued a company vehicle use it as they are allowed to use it then there really isn't a problem.

Even if it didn't have GPS tracking it, someone could have easily passed and seen that vehicle parked at the competitor's facility.

How common is it for people to use their company vehicle for personal use? I worked for a company years ago that had a lot of work going on and as a result, there were more people with company issued vehicles on the road. There was an increase in vehicle accidents involving company vehicles so I created a database to track all events that went through safety and most of the accidents involving company vehicles took place during non-work related situation.

I remember someone got in a wreck right after picking their kid up from school, in a company vehicle. We noticed people were getting into wrecks (most of them were minor, but it was still a safety event) on the way home from work. Once that was discovered, they changed the work schedule. The people in the field were working 7 12s and after seeing all the safety events and the time range most of them were taking place, they decided to go to 6 10s. That made the numbers drop, there wasn't really a huge drop off in production and of course, less injuries, etc means paying less workers comp, etc..

Anyway, I don't think he even has an argument. When you use the company's vehicle for personal reasons, you pretty much have to take responsibility for anything that happens to it.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
36103 posts
Posted on 3/14/17 at 4:54 pm to
quote:

why he spent 3 hours at a competitor's facility


I was nailing your competitor's wife.

You're welcome.
This post was edited on 3/14/17 at 4:55 pm
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