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re: Public Defenders Hard To Come By In Louisiana
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:35 pm to NIH
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:35 pm to NIH
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Rotting in jail for months or years in some cases before a trial is not due process.
I don't like it, but throwing money at the problem isn't a solution. We need better case management, better bail/PTI programs from drug offenses (although a lot of jursidictions have been doing great work over the past 20 years or so of this).
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I suggest you actually talk to people who are involved in criminal law in Louisiana and not spout bullshite talking points
I admit I've been out of practice for a while and I only dabbled in criminal and quasi-criminal law in the first place.
But, "not coddling" the criminal element is not the same as trampling on their rights, either.
Most DAs are Democrat trial lawyers, too, so there's that.
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It's embarrassing
Imma let you slide this time, aight?
This post was edited on 3/13/17 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:39 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
, but throwing money at the problem isn't a solution.
Hiring more attorneys = less cases per attorney = cases move quicker through the system
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better bail/
for sure
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programs from drug offenses (although a lot of jursidictions have been doing great work over the past 20 years or so of this).
Drug court and PTD do good work, though the bulk of the funding from the latter(if not all?) stays in the DA's office.
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Most DAs are Democrat trial lawyers, too,
Not around Acadiana
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But, "not coddling" the criminal element is not the same as trampling on their rights, either.
Adequate, or at the very least, timely representation is not coddling.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:43 pm to NIH
Anyone saying that these guys are all guilty and don't deserve a good lawyer needs to watch "Making a Murderer". The blonde dude probably killed the girl and deserves to be in jail but his nephew, Brandon Dassey(?), absolutely was railroaded by his "defender", the detectives, and the prosecutor
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:50 pm to Jeff Boomhauer
quote:Investigation Discovery also did a piece on this that makes a compelling argument that he's actually guilty.
Making a Murderer
Watch both sides because this documentary isn't all you may believe it to be.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 9:58 pm to Ace Midnight
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I had 200 cases open when I had an active practice - it's a lot but doable -and she's making a shite ton more than I was at the time.
It's not even close to the same thing. She has significantly more than that, likely less staff tasked with more work and she is probably clearing 20-30 cases or more per week and getting that many new ones in the same period.
I'm also doubting your 200 number, especially without more clarification.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:00 pm to Dire Wolf
You'd be surprised how much their families will come up with.
Posted on 3/13/17 at 10:02 pm to NIH
I'm all about upping the number of public defenders. It seems more prudent than all other courthouse construction projects. I'm even willing to throw a little extra if another clerk is needed to file stuff. They are the vital infrastructure to keep things flowing.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 7:35 am to BiggerBear
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It's not even close to the same thing.
I'm not going to argue with you about it - litigation files are pretty dense, regardless of the field. I couldn't clear 30 cases a week, but I wasn't assigned 30 cases a week, either - more like 5.
But, time exposure on a civil litigation case is way different from criminal, too. You get a criminal case on a Thursday, some PD shops send you a lawyer just to do arraignments, others want to assign a lawyer all the way through.
So, you get arraigned on a Friday - the vast majority of PD cases are possession with intent, disclosure takes a month or three - then you plea the thing. That's the business. It isn't pleasant - it isn't life affirming and maybe that's why they can't get enough lawyers to do it.
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I'm also doubting your 200 number, especially without more clarification.
That was all in - I wasn't the primary on all 200, and that was mostly auto accidents, but some WC, products liability and med mal. 80 to 100 active at any one time, but a case didn't typically clear for 6 months - probably closed 5 and opened 5 per week. I'm spitballing because that was a long time ago - pre-electronic filing in state court, certainly.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 7:39 am to Ace Midnight
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Ace Midnight
Do you believe in the presumption of innocence in this country?
It kinda sounds like you don't.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:00 am to NIH
I worked in the criminal justice system for 20 years and always heard people say "the system is racist!" bullshite. Our criminal justice system is two tiered based on financial resources. Period. The people with cash hire the best defense attorneys (most of whom used to work with or play golf / drink with the ADA's) and they get good outcomes. The other poor saps get a PD who may or may not open their case file until the week of trial.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:05 am to Ace Midnight
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I had 200 cases open when I had an active practice - it's a lot but doable -and she's making a shite ton more than I was at the time.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:11 am to Reubaltaich
Not sure if you guys heard, but the oil industry is in a bit of a downturn. Dude might be broke AF currently.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:22 am to Dire Wolf
Want to eliminate civil asset forfeitures? Pass a law requiring all proceeds to go to public defenders. That shite will stop dead in its tracks.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:22 am to Dire Wolf
When you live in a third world state that doesn't value America or the constitution what do you expect?
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:38 am to NYNolaguy1
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Do you believe in the presumption of innocence in this country?
Of course I do. However, I don't ignore powerful evidence, even if circumstantial.
I also think the "Prison-Industrial Complex" is a thing. I indicated in the thread I'm for ending the War on Drugs(tm).
However, that doesn't mean I'm a bleeding heart liberal, either.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:43 am to Ace Midnight
Sad day when ensuring the Sixth Amendment is followed makes one a bleeding heart liberal.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:46 am to boosiebadazz
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Sad day when ensuring the Sixth Amendment is followed makes one a bleeding heart liberal.
The Sixth Amendment does not guarantee you F. Lee Bailey for your minor drug possession charge.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:54 am to Ace Midnight
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The Sixth Amendment does not guarantee you F. Lee Bailey for your minor drug possession charge.
No one is saying that PDs have to be dream team defense attorneys. The problem is people are sitting in jail for absurd periods of time before trial because the system is incredibly overloaded, and even when they get to that point the PD has almost no time to actually devote to the case.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:56 am to Ace Midnight
Is that really what's being argued here?
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:56 am to NIH
250 cases isn't a big deal
the PDs out here have 2-3x that
the PDs out here have 2-3x that
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