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Posted on 3/9/17 at 5:58 pm to Dale51
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How do you account for about 97% of all the climate model projections have proven to be wrong...
Posted on 3/9/17 at 5:59 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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This is not an important question. The answer could be nothing or everything, and the points would still stand.
That would span the entire spectrum, but I asked an individual the question. To apply your "point" would show that individual actually has no grounding reason to believe what they do.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 6:02 pm to Iosh
Ummm...you left out the actual observed temps.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 6:09 pm to Cruiserhog
The chart showing the methane rise is the one that is troubling.......
One Green Planet
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We’ve seen that methane, which accounts for only 14 percent of emissions worldwide, traps up to 100 times more heat than carbon dioxide over a 5-year period. This means that even though carbon dioxide molecules outnumber methane 5 to 1, this comparatively smaller amount of methane is still 19 times greater a problem for climate change over a 5 year period, and 4 times greater over a 100 year period. To put it another way, any methane molecule released today is 100 times more heat-trapping than a molecule of carbon dioxide, or potentially even higher according to NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies.
One Green Planet
Posted on 3/9/17 at 6:17 pm to Iosh
quote:That is just disingenuous.quote:
How do you account for about 97% of all the climate model projections have proven to be wrong...
But back to naturally declining temps vs your assertions of AGW
Posted on 3/9/17 at 6:18 pm to Dale51
There are four different surface temperature records in that graph
This post was edited on 3/9/17 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 3/9/17 at 6:25 pm to Pinecone Repair
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I agree with him.
This sun is key.
Yep! The sun's solar activity/intensity can have uncalculable changes to the weather. The sun is basically a generator of every damn frequency in the electromagnetic spectrum.
You'll see the climate change proponents cite studies showing that the sun has been cooling for decades so why is the Earth's temperature rising? Actual temperature aint got shite to do with it! You have to look at the intensity of the microwave energy emitting from the Sun that is bathing the Earth. There is a lagging effect on the Earth's weather from the Sun's solar emissions and the oceans in particular can absorb unimaginable energy from the Sun's microwave energy bands.
Here's a pretty good link that goes into more detail.
Setting the Record Straight!
Posted on 3/9/17 at 6:31 pm to Iosh
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There are four different surface temperature records in that graph
Yeah...thats nice.
Where are the satellite and weather balloon records./ You know...not selected temp stations.
Have you seen some of the places these stations are positioned at? Part of the problem with leaving which of the temp stations are included or excluded should be obvious. Over the years places that report warmer temps have had more monitoring stations placed...those with lower temps ignored.
That said....so what? As weather patterns change the monitoring stations remain static. The satellite record and balloon records are much harder to manipulate.
This post was edited on 3/9/17 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 3/9/17 at 6:50 pm to boogiewoogie1978
That is a little bit out of context. He was ask about man made CO2. There is of course a lot of natural CO2.
Nonetheless the climate changes all the time and what we contribute to that change nobody knows.
Nonetheless the climate changes all the time and what we contribute to that change nobody knows.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 6:51 pm to Dale51
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That would span the entire spectrum, but I asked an individual the question. To apply your "point" would show that individual actually has no grounding reason to believe what they do.
It's simply not a relevant question if you're trying to refute anything. The answer doesn't change the information provided or the outcomes.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 6:56 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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It's simply not a relevant question if you're trying to refute anything.
Yeah. The problem is that I wasn't trying to refute anything. I was asking for insight into the motivation of an individual who seem very scared about something relating to weather.
Do you find it very important issue..one so very important that most people on the planet should change the way they live?
Posted on 3/9/17 at 6:58 pm to boogiewoogie1978
Honestly I don't see why we need an EPA chief or an EPA at all. The federal government shouldn't have an agency entirely devoted to mandating to states what they have to do for the environment, all the while crushing business.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 7:02 pm to Dale51
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The problem is that I wasn't trying to refute anything. I was asking for insight into the motivation of an individual who seem very scared about something relating to weather.
Sure you are. You're trying to refute his entire position. If you weren't, there'd be no need for the question.
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Do you find it very important issue..one so very important that most people on the planet should change the way they live?
Yes.
That doesn't mean every single person needs to change every single thing in their lives, either. As is too often the case, the correct answer lies somewhere in the middle.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 7:15 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Sure you are. You're trying to refute his entire position. If you weren't, there'd be no need for the question.
You can claim that, but it doesn't make the claim accurate...oddly enough, just like AGW disciples.
You're reading things into the "data" that don't exist...oddly enough like the AGW disciples.
I simply asked what his fears about the planet were.
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Yes. That doesn't mean every single person needs to change every single thing in their lives, either.
What things would people have to change about the way they go about life in order to have a large enough impact before its "too late"?
What are your fears if this is not done?
Posted on 3/9/17 at 7:17 pm to Iosh
You posted models from 2000?
Lolz.
Lolz.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 7:17 pm to ChineseBandit58
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Been sayin this for decades. Orders of mag more heat retention than CO2. More of it too.
Water vapor is the biggest contributor to the overall greenhouse effect on earth. The problem with using this fact as a rebuttal to human caused global warming is that it has remained constant and is naturally regulated via the water cycle while CO2 concentrations have increased by over 30% in the past century without a natural means of regulation.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 7:20 pm to LSU2a
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The problem with using this fact as a rebuttal to human caused global warming is that it has remained constant and is naturally regulated via the water cycle
False.
We have been drawing down aquifers at rates 200x replenish capabilities....so no. It isn't in balance.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 7:21 pm to boogiewoogie1978
good The idea that breathing will kill the planet is absurd
Posted on 3/9/17 at 7:29 pm to Dale51
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AGW disciples
Comments like this sprinkled throughout the thread indicate that you're full of shite, just like deniers.
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What things would people have to change about the way they go about life in order to have a large enough impact before its "too late"?
Step One: Admit that you don't really understand the issue.
Step Two: Realize that we don't need to be talking about the extinction of life.
It's important to get those down before we even look at changes.
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What are your fears if this is not done?
I don't have fears, about this or anything else. That's an irrational way of looking at this.
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