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Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:21 am to BamaGradinTn
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It reflects poorly on Trump, in my mind, for being so fricking stupid as to hire him when there were abundant red flags in his history.
That it was merely a "foolish" appointment is the best possible explanation/best possible light to portray it in IMHO.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:22 am to Wtodd
The article also says qoute "Some top lawmakers on Capitol Hill have been briefed about Flynn's conversations with Kislyak, according to sources familiar with the briefings."
If there was a KO punch in the tapes Schumer and the Dems would have run with it by now. For that matter if it cast Flynn in a terrible light they would have had his head over it way before now.
If there was a KO punch in the tapes Schumer and the Dems would have run with it by now. For that matter if it cast Flynn in a terrible light they would have had his head over it way before now.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:24 am to HempHead
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Uh to find out the nature and information of the communications, and whether or not it was an independent action, implicitly sanctioned, or directly ordered.
Given the way this thing blew up within the administration I can't imagine it was ordered or sanctioned. Would have been swept under the rug.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:29 am to Robin Masters
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ould have been swept under the rug.
It was for about a month until those pesky reporters started asking questions.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:31 am to Decatur
I'm going to go ahead and predict nothing else comes out and nothing else comes of this.
These dire predictions never come to fruition.
These dire predictions never come to fruition.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:31 am to HempHead
Ordered by Obama obviously
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:32 am to BamaGradinTn
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It reflects poorly on Trump, in my mind, for being so fricking stupid as to hire him when there were abundant red flags in his history. It reflects poorly on Trump as far as people he has close to him who recommended this hire.
This 100%.
Trump should have known better than to "reach across the aisle" with today's Democrats.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:34 am to StringedInstruments
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Maybe I'm confused.
Isn't Flynn a Democrat? And wasn't he part of Obama's administration at one point?
Wouldn't this reflect poorly on the other side rather than Trump who only had to deal with him for two months?
This is an impressive level of mental self-preservation.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:35 am to WheelRoute
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This is an impressive level of mental self-preservation.
Exactly.
This is on Trump.
Hopefully he learned a lesson on who not to trust.
What a moron.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:35 am to lsu2006
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Then why was the entire RNC drooling over him and why did Trump appoint him? Looks like a patsy/fall guy to me the way you describe it.
From a bona fides point of view, you really could not do much better since he was the former Director of the DIA. That being said, he had been a discipline problem while he worked for Obama.
FRom what I'm reading, the context of the calls was a discussion of the sanctions, but even the "sauces" admit that Flynn did not make any promises to the Russians about lifting of sanctions.
It could be that the Democrats and the intel community went after him because of Trump's attacks on the intel community and that caught Flynn on a technicality of violating some part of the Logan Act which prevents private citizens from conducing any aspect of foreign policy.....meeting with an Ambassador and discussing things with the Ambassador could be construed as conducting foreign policy even if no promises were made. It's kind of chicken shite, really, but at the time Flynn was a private citizen.
This post was edited on 2/14/17 at 10:37 am
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:36 am to Decatur
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It was for about a month until those pesky reporters started asking questions.
reporters or DEMs?
how did the DEMs have this information and miss it?
and from the media reports, it seems that the admin is pissed at Flynn for lying to them, which seems to lend support to the notion that this isn't directly linked to Trump or Pence and just establishes Flynn as a POS
*ETA: this still looks bad for Trump, but in the "incompetent" way and not the "authoritarian led by Russia" way
This post was edited on 2/14/17 at 10:39 am
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:40 am to bamarep
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He resigned. WTF else do y'all want?
For this board to stay consistent when it comes to BOTH sides of the aisle
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:41 am to Navytiger74
quote:What does?
But this needs to be investigated.
One Administration ordering surveillance on the other?
Seriously, what is it we need to investigate?
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:42 am to StringedInstruments
You're confused.
He retired (likely fired) April 30, 2014 from his position as director of Defense Intelligence Agency.
Trump picked him up after Carly Fiorina started championing Flynn to the conservative right.
He retired (likely fired) April 30, 2014 from his position as director of Defense Intelligence Agency.
Trump picked him up after Carly Fiorina started championing Flynn to the conservative right.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:43 am to StringedInstruments
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Isn't Flynn a Democrat? And wasn't he part of Obama's administration at one point?
Wouldn't this reflect poorly on the other side rather than Trump who only had to deal with him for two months?
Hiring the guy the previous administration shite canned for being fast and loose with appropriate protocol?
Then firing him for some of the same shite?
No, I think that reflects poorly on the guy who ignored all the red flags.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:44 am to NC_Tigah
quote:I wonder which end of that phone call they were more likely surveilling. Hmm. I'll leave that to you to mull over.
One Administration ordering surveillance on the other?
quote:
Seriously, what is it we need to investigate?
No need to reinvent the wheel
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:47 am to Navytiger74
This is what I dont get the FBI said Flynn did nothing wrong on the call. So if there was a "deal" being made why did it not come out til now?
WAPO
Also was reported by WAPO which is ironic.
WAPO
Also was reported by WAPO which is ironic.
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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and from the media reports, it seems that the admin is pissed at Flynn for lying to them, which seems to lend support to the notion that this isn't directly linked to Trump or Pence and just establishes Flynn as a POS
Exactly. Trump did a terrible job of vetting this guy. Terrible.
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*ETA: this still looks bad for Trump, but in the "incompetent" way and not the "authoritarian led by Russia" way
This X21T
Posted on 2/14/17 at 10:51 am to Decatur
This is dem politics trying to create intrigue...
Although, the whole thing is very strange.
Although, the whole thing is very strange.
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National security adviser Michael Flynn privately discussed U.S. sanctions against Russia with that country’s ambassador to the United States during the month before President Trump took office, contrary to public assertions by Trump officials, current and former U.S. officials said.
Flynn’s communications with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak were interpreted by some senior U.S. officials as an inappropriate and potentially illegal signal to the Kremlin that it could expect a reprieve from sanctions that were being imposed by the Obama administration in late December to punish Russia for its alleged interference in the 2016 election.
Flynn on Wednesday denied that he had discussed sanctions with Kislyak. Asked in an interview whether he had ever done so, he twice said, “No.”
On Thursday, Flynn, through his spokesman, backed away from the denial. The spokesman said Flynn “indicated that while he had no recollection of discussing sanctions, he couldn’t be certain that the topic never came up.”
Officials said this week that the FBI is continuing to examine Flynn’s communications with Kislyak. Several officials emphasized that while sanctions were discussed, they did not see evidence that Flynn had an intent to convey an explicit promise to take action after the inauguration.
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