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re: Afflecks Batman Film pushed back. Rumors that Justice League is a mess
Posted on 1/10/17 at 12:52 pm to blueboy
Posted on 1/10/17 at 12:52 pm to blueboy
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Batman Begins, Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises were better than anything Marvel has put out. By far.
Really a bad way to look at it. BB and TDK might be the best movies inspired by comic books put on film, but they are not comic book movies. They don't look and act like comic books, they use that inspiration to create something more real/more modern.
And they are precisely why MoS, BvS and SS have all been sort of terrible. Snyder did not understand that Nolan actively built his films against common comic book tropes.
Superman I/II and The Avengers (I'd argue First Avenger and Spider-Man 2 as well) are probably the two best "comic books" on film. They are ingrained in their source material far more than anything else. For the good and the bad. What you might perceive as a fault is really just a feature of putting page to film in a very direct way. (This isn't to say the films don't have cinema faults, 99% of films do, but the intended cheesiness, the more simplistic story and terms, the lack of "real" threat or risk are all very normal in CBs).
And TDKR is about as good as an average Marvel film. At best.
This post was edited on 1/10/17 at 12:55 pm
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Posted on 1/10/17 at 1:04 pm to Freauxzen
quote:That's one of your dumber delineations, I think, and it's absolute nonsense. You want something that "looks like a comic book?" Go watch Ang Lee's Hulk movie. Enjoy.
Really a bad way to look at it. BB and TDK might be the best movies inspired by comic books put on film, but they are not comic book movies. They don't look and act like comic books, they use that inspiration to create something more real/more modern.
quote:No, shitty writing and casting is why those movies were terrible.
And they are precisely why MoS, BvS and SS have all been sort of terrible
quote:Now you're just talking crazy talk. Get lout of the M/TV board echo chamber. You people chose this one film to refrain from suspension of disbelief, and it snowballed into a typical mutual approval and critique cult, no one wanting to be the one who "didn't get it."
And TDKR is about as good as an average Marvel film. At best.
Other than GotG, comic movies haven't been very good for a long time.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 1:06 pm to Ace Midnight
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Affleck isn't really RDJ's equal - in really any area
I can think of one area - mediocrity
Posted on 1/10/17 at 1:07 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Rumors that Justice League is a mess
About as shocking as learning Mexico won't pay for the border wall.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 1:14 pm to blueboy
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No, shitty writing and casting is why those movies were terrible.
Because Snyder sought to out-Nolan, Nolan. The writing was crappy because they had no direction, because Snyder/Goyer believed that the only thing that made BB/TDK good was that they were "dark," and "Real."
Casting wasn't THAT bad, and was usually a strong part of those movies.
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Now you're just talking crazy talk. Get lout of the M/TV board echo chamber. You people chose this one film to refrain from suspension of disbelief, and it snowballed into a typical mutual approval and critique cult, no one wanting to be the one who "didn't get it."
Huh? I'm usually one of a few who rail on this film, there's no echo chamber with TDKR. Mostly because it doesn't fulfill the BB/TDK setup and includes some really terrible choices - talking about crappy writing TDKR is full of it. And yeah, since it is part of a trilogy, I should approach it in the same way, and it is nowhere near as good as BB/TDK.
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Other than GotG, comic movies haven't been very good for a long time.
Different strokes. Dr. Strange and Civil War were both quite good. Granted, probably not as good as IM, TWS, GoTG, but still very good.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 1:17 pm to Jester
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About as shocking as learning Mexico won't pay for the border wall.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 1:21 pm to Freauxzen
quote:In your opinion, unless you have personally spoken to them. Either way, you can't blame Nolan for someone else's shitty movie. I'm sure a lot of shitty directors have tried to copy Hitchcock, but it's not his fault that they were shitty directors.
Because Snyder sought to out-Nolan, Nolan. The writing was crappy because they had no direction, because Snyder/Goyer believed that the only thing that made BB/TDK good was that they were "dark," and "Real."
quote:Y'uh huh.
and it is nowhere near as good as BB/TDK.
This post was edited on 1/10/17 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 1/10/17 at 1:23 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Rumors that Justice League is a mess by RLDSC FAN
Also, rumors that water is wet
Posted on 1/10/17 at 1:24 pm to blueboy
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And they are precisely why MoS, BvS and SS have all been sort of terrible
No, shitty writing and casting is why those movies were terrible.
I think they are shitty enough to have multiple reasons.
Affleck is alright as batman, so is cavill. But Lex was a terrible choice.
The plot of BvS was the main problem imho, the bad writing was just part of that. They tried to do too much in it, have them fight and reconcile and prepare for justice league while setting up lex as an arch villian. Plus the whole mother bit was just fricking retarded.
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Other than GotG, comic movies haven't been very good for a long time.
i dunno about that, deadpool was a fun flick.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 1:25 pm to RLDSC FAN
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speculate
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Perhaps
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Maybe
Posted on 1/10/17 at 1:27 pm to Ace Midnight
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Maybe so. But, he's too old. You'll be hard pressed to get 8 to 10 years (5 to 6 films, including team films) out of him. Now - RDJ started playing Iron Man at 43 - but let's be honest, Affleck isn't really RDJ's equal - in really any area. I guess with modern technology, they can overcome any aging of Batman.
Introduce Nightwing. Problem solved
Posted on 1/10/17 at 1:32 pm to blueboy
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Batman Begins, Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises were better than anything Marvel has put out. By far.
BB and TDK are phenomenal.
TDKR sucked.
I'd put the Captain Americas movies and Iron Man 1 above TDKR. I'd even put Winter Soldier and First Class above Batman Begins.
TDK remains my favorite comic book movie. Although Winter Soldier and First Class give it a run for its money. And Spiderman homecoming looks like it'll be amazing.
If we're talking marvel properties, not just MCU, I'd put First Class and DOFP above TDKR as well. McGuire's first two Spidermans with Green Goblin and Doc Oc are better than TDKR.
As a comic book fan Batman and the xmen were always far and away my favorite comics to read. It's so disappointing to watch DC flounder and shite the bed over and over again.
This post was edited on 1/10/17 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 1/10/17 at 1:33 pm to RLDSC FAN
and I defended TDKR as not being as bad as this board said, but to say its by far better than any MCU movie is a ridiculous statement.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 1:38 pm to Hawkeye95
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The plot of BvS was the main problem imho, the bad writing was just part of that. They tried to do too much in it, have them fight and reconcile and prepare for justice league while setting up lex as an arch villian. Plus the whole mother bit was just fricking retarded.
I've railed on BvS for nearly a year now, and anyone wanting to see my multipage full review can probably find it from last year...but...having tried to give it a re-watch when it hit cable in December, I realized that I couldn't get past the first 15 minutes because the worst thing they did was make Batman a fricking irrational idiot. BATMAN!
Oh...Affleck tearing arse into Metropolis was damn fine heroic stuff...and one of the brightest comic book movie scenes yet I think. And he looked and moved in the way we've all anted him to for years...so that was great. And, I like Affleck as Batman so long as you're wanting him to be older. I wouldn't have preferred that, but if that's the choice then he fits great. But there is simply no way Batman...the world's greatest detective...starts from a premise so irrational the one portrayed in the movie. To instantly paint superman with the same brush as Zod...to not take a step back and realize that while his juvenile and rookie actions DID lead to lives lost, without him the world would have ended for humanity. Even if he was fearful of his unchecked power, to simply look past what he actually did do in terms of saving the planet in favor of painting him as an enemy was just absurd.
Now...just so it can be said I'll blast both studios, I have the very same criticism of Marvel for playing nearly the same card in Civil War. Where the frick does Secretary Ross get off bitching about what The Avenger's actions have done while pretending he wasn;t solely responsible for what happened in Incredible Hulk with Abomination?!? While it would have made for a short movie, Tony should have told him, "Wait...didn't you create Abomination and force Hulk into saving Harlem?" Roll credits...
Posted on 1/10/17 at 1:45 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Now...just so it can be said I'll blast both studios, I have the very same criticism of Marvel for playing nearly the same card in Civil War. Where the frick does Secretary Ross get off bitching about what The Avenger's actions have done while pretending he wasn;t solely responsible for what happened in Incredible Hulk with Abomination?!? While it would have made for a short movie, Tony should have told him, "Wait...didn't you create Abomination and force Hulk into saving Harlem?" Roll credits...
To be fair however, from Ross' perspective what he did was ok because he had an entity backing him. The whole problem with The Avengers is that they acted on their own with no accountability. Or at least an accountability that they agreed with (depends on your Cap/Stark view).
But yeah, this is why the central conceit is a little problematic, because it only works if governments are perfect. Which in the movie, and in reality, they aren't.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 1:48 pm to blueboy
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In your opinion, unless you have personally spoken to them. Either way, you can't blame Nolan for someone else's shitty movie. I'm sure a lot of shitty directors have tried to copy Hitchcock, but it's not his fault that they were shitty directors.
When did I say it was Nolan's fault? All I said was Snyder's need to copy films that actively work against comic books, while still trying to make "comic book" movies was a big problem. His belief in "darkness = higher quality" was a huge problem.
This is about the statement that "BB/TDK are the best comic book movies to be released." Which, they really aren't, because they aren't really comic book movies.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 1:48 pm to Breesus
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TDKR sucked.
It's grown on me over time. It's flawed, but I've really enjoyed it on rewatch. I love Tom Hardys Bane and Catwomans first few scenes are fun. She was really underused in this film.
This is just my 0.2, but I can watch TDKR over and over, I can't really say that about most Marvel films. The Avengers, which came out the same year, is a film that doesn't hold up for me. I couldn't even finish it the last time I tried watching it.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 1:49 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Rumors that Justice League is a mess
I'm shocked.....
Posted on 1/10/17 at 1:50 pm to Ace Midnight
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Justice League was somewhat promising, but going Affleck as Batman was clearly a mistake.
Honestly, Affleck is not even in the top 20 of problems with BvS. The cheesy voice effects were bad, but I blame Snyder for that. Batman's inexplicable motivations were probably the biggest issue for me. Superman is powerful and could possibly one day do something bad, so I should become a homicidal maniac and try to murder him?
Then to have the name Martha somehow magically snapping him out of schizophrenia was the icing on that shite cake. quote:
They should have done an across the board brand reboot before JL - gone with a younger (or at least youngish) cast and really worked on getting that done (the casting) - then spinoff the various heroes.
I agree about the younger cast, but that's really only for Affleck. Batman being an old fart just paints the JLA into a corner.
This post was edited on 1/10/17 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 1/10/17 at 1:57 pm to Jester
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About as shocking as learning Mexico won't pay for the border wall.
Well, then I guess you haven't heard the news today.
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