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Retired Green Beret officer: Mattis "left my men to die."
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:56 pm
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NB4 Benghazi. HRC answered for Benghazi at the ballot box, and it was one of the things that sunk her. Mattis will have to answer for this before Congress. Will it sink him? Probably not, but it will be on the record. If, in your view, Benghazi disqualified Hillary, would this disqualify Mattis? Why or why not?
Details at the link. Mattis commanded the closest American force to the incident and waffled while other units from much further away tried to get there. The team was finally extracted by USAF special operations helicopters flying from Pakistan.
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WASHINGTON – A retired Green Beret officer alleged Friday that Gen. James Mattis, who has been nominated to be the next defense secretary, hesitated to send medical evacuation flights and left soldiers to die during a 2001 friendly fire incident in Afghanistan.
Retired Lt. Col. Jason Amerine, in a Facebook post, said a delay by Mattis in sending rescue aircraft from a nearby base might have led to the deaths of Staff Sgt. Brian Cody Prosser and at least two Afghans after they were hit by a U.S. bomb outside of Kandahar.
“He was indecisive and betrayed his duty to us, leaving my men to die during the golden hour when he could have reached us,” wrote Amerine, who is a future of war fellow at the New America think tank in Washington, D.C.
NB4 Benghazi. HRC answered for Benghazi at the ballot box, and it was one of the things that sunk her. Mattis will have to answer for this before Congress. Will it sink him? Probably not, but it will be on the record. If, in your view, Benghazi disqualified Hillary, would this disqualify Mattis? Why or why not?
Details at the link. Mattis commanded the closest American force to the incident and waffled while other units from much further away tried to get there. The team was finally extracted by USAF special operations helicopters flying from Pakistan.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:58 pm to Jim Rockford
Sounds like his decision cost no lives
Posted on 12/2/16 at 10:59 pm to Jim Rockford
Not gonna try to defend Mattis because I don't know the facts. But I'm eager to hear Mattis defend himself.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:00 pm to Jim Rockford
Let's wait till the full facts come out, and lets give Mattis a chance to defend himself. However, if true, my initial feeling that Mattis was a solid choice would severely change.
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:00 pm to Jim Rockford
I'm gonna file this one under fog of war.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:01 pm to Jim Rockford
Clearly unfit to lead. Because not another time, in the military history of the executive branch, have any of them lost men due to poor decisions
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:07 pm to Jim Rockford
Just gonna have to let it play out but, if true and more people directly involved come forward and substantiate the story ... then it could be a deal breaker.
Another thing to understand is that, especially in combat, there is a lot of inter-service rivalry at times and, if this really happened, this will never be forgotten or forgiven by DOD guys like those in Group, Rangers, et al.
We didn't appreciate Marines too much at Bragg - they do things differently and we really thought they were overrated and their commanders were, for the most part, raving fricking asshats. Lots of stories to tell about that but regardless ... if he really pussied-out when it came time to evac some Group guys - others will come forward and it will probably be a deal breaker.
Another thing to understand is that, especially in combat, there is a lot of inter-service rivalry at times and, if this really happened, this will never be forgotten or forgiven by DOD guys like those in Group, Rangers, et al.
We didn't appreciate Marines too much at Bragg - they do things differently and we really thought they were overrated and their commanders were, for the most part, raving fricking asshats. Lots of stories to tell about that but regardless ... if he really pussied-out when it came time to evac some Group guys - others will come forward and it will probably be a deal breaker.
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:08 pm to Jim Rockford
I love these melts.
They are delicious.
They are delicious.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:30 pm to Jim Rockford
Who gives a frick. NO matter who Trump appoints there will be frickchuckles like this guy speaking out against them
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:32 pm to Jim Rockford
Took only a day for the media to start trying to dig up anything they could.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:33 pm to Jim Rockford
Fake news is working overtime to derail anything Trump wants to do.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:35 pm to Jim Rockford
This is comedic.
Truly.
Rah.
Truly.
Rah.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:36 pm to Jim Rockford
I think he would like to have that one back. People make mistakes sometimes on the battlefield. He may have had a reason for what he did.
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:46 pm to Jim Rockford
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New America Think Tank
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In 2013, Anne-Marie Slaughter became President of New America, replacing Steve Coll.[7] Google's Executive Chairman, Eric Schmidt, is the chairman of the foundation's board of directors.
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Anne-Marie Slaughter served as the Director of Policy Planning for the U.S. State Department from January 2009 until February 2011 under U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
Some links:
New Hillary Clinton Emails: Anne-Marie Slaughter, Sidney Blumenthal Urged Libya Military Action
‘Bravo!’ Email Appears To Show Clinton’s Friend Congratulating Her on Bombing of Libya
Clinton's Silicon Valley secrets: Google boss Eric Schmidt drew up campaign plan
Hacked emails show Eric Schmidt played a crucial role in Team Hillary’s election tech
Google’s Eric Schmidt Wore ‘Staff’ Badge at Hillary Clinton Election Night Party
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 12:02 am
Posted on 12/2/16 at 11:53 pm to Jim Rockford
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Retired Lt. Col. Jason Amerine, in a Facebook post, said a delay by Mattis in sending rescue aircraft from a nearby base might have led to the deaths
quote:
“He was indecisive and betrayed his duty to us, leaving my men to die
Guy who wrote this article can't seem to make up his mind. Might and leaving aren't synonymous here.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 12:00 am to Jim Rockford
Amerine's reputation was largely built through the book The Only Thing Worth Dying For by Eric Blehm that talks about the mission to put Karzai in charge of Afghanistan. He also faced court-martial for speaking to a member of congress about the condition of a hostage negotiation in 2013, around the time Berghdahl trade happened.
Amerine has every right to his own opinion about the friendly fire incident in Afghanistan, but I can tell you that speculating as to whether Mattis' choppers are going to get the evac in time is pointless. Yeah, maybe Cody Prosser lives, maybe he doesn't. Amerine has no fricking way of knowing that. Nor does he have any way of knowing why Mattis' didn't send the MEDEVAC, nor was it Amerine's decision to make. I really hate the selfish way that Amerine is handling this issue. I think it's completely inappropriate and the opposite of being a professional. If Amerine had any respect for the commission he once held he would shut the frick up or come strong with some evidence in a forum more significant than a fricking facebook page. This whole thing screams "LOOK AT ME MY MEN DIED". Disgusting.
This is the Story of Jason Amerine's time on ODA 574, as told by Amerine: If you click through these, you can read every surviving member of that ODA's mission to escort Karzai to the throne
Interestingly, he was the ODA commander when a B-52 bomb dropped a 2000 pounder on the wrong coordinate and killed 3 members of his ODA. One could use the same logic that Amerine is using and blame Amerine for the death of his three teammates, but of course that would be completely unfair and baseless. One thing is for DAMN sure though, like it or not, Amerine is responsible for what his team did and did not do, and that includes casualties.
IN THIS VERY INTERVIEW Amerine claims that two died instantly, and that "nothing could be done for Prosser".
Well, Jason, which is it? Nothing could be done or Mattis' MEDEVAC could have saved his life?
The way Amerine talks about this mission makes my fricking skin crawl. "My men, My guerillas, My, Mine, Me, Myself, blah blah blah.
For those who aren't aware, ODA Team Leaders are Captains in the Army, and they serve a max of about 2 years at the tactical level before going on to fulfill many years of staff jobs and hopefully getting a Battalion Command one day. Most Captains don't run around Talking like they own shite, because in truth they don't. The popular nick-name for Captains used to be "summer help", if that gives any indication of how expendable they are to an ODA's operations.
This retarded statement by Amerine probably won't amount to anything. Maybe MAttis' screwed up, maybe he didn't. We have multiple decades of performance reviews and testimonies about Mattis' professionalism and integrity. So assuming that there was such a death on Mattis' record, it certainly wouldn't make him unsuitable for SECDEF.
Amerine has every right to his own opinion about the friendly fire incident in Afghanistan, but I can tell you that speculating as to whether Mattis' choppers are going to get the evac in time is pointless. Yeah, maybe Cody Prosser lives, maybe he doesn't. Amerine has no fricking way of knowing that. Nor does he have any way of knowing why Mattis' didn't send the MEDEVAC, nor was it Amerine's decision to make. I really hate the selfish way that Amerine is handling this issue. I think it's completely inappropriate and the opposite of being a professional. If Amerine had any respect for the commission he once held he would shut the frick up or come strong with some evidence in a forum more significant than a fricking facebook page. This whole thing screams "LOOK AT ME MY MEN DIED". Disgusting.
This is the Story of Jason Amerine's time on ODA 574, as told by Amerine: If you click through these, you can read every surviving member of that ODA's mission to escort Karzai to the throne
Interestingly, he was the ODA commander when a B-52 bomb dropped a 2000 pounder on the wrong coordinate and killed 3 members of his ODA. One could use the same logic that Amerine is using and blame Amerine for the death of his three teammates, but of course that would be completely unfair and baseless. One thing is for DAMN sure though, like it or not, Amerine is responsible for what his team did and did not do, and that includes casualties.
IN THIS VERY INTERVIEW Amerine claims that two died instantly, and that "nothing could be done for Prosser".
quote:
On the morning of December 5 ... the headquarters was directing air strikes against the ridgeline across from us. One of the guys messed up and brought in the bomb on us. So when the bomb hit them, the last count that I got, the latest number was I lost about 27 of my guerrillas. JD and Dan died instantly really. Cody Prosser, was a friend of mine that came in with the headquarters, was mortally wounded. He lived for a while, but there wasn't anything that could be done with him really.
Well, Jason, which is it? Nothing could be done or Mattis' MEDEVAC could have saved his life?
The way Amerine talks about this mission makes my fricking skin crawl. "My men, My guerillas, My, Mine, Me, Myself, blah blah blah.
For those who aren't aware, ODA Team Leaders are Captains in the Army, and they serve a max of about 2 years at the tactical level before going on to fulfill many years of staff jobs and hopefully getting a Battalion Command one day. Most Captains don't run around Talking like they own shite, because in truth they don't. The popular nick-name for Captains used to be "summer help", if that gives any indication of how expendable they are to an ODA's operations.
This retarded statement by Amerine probably won't amount to anything. Maybe MAttis' screwed up, maybe he didn't. We have multiple decades of performance reviews and testimonies about Mattis' professionalism and integrity. So assuming that there was such a death on Mattis' record, it certainly wouldn't make him unsuitable for SECDEF.
This post was edited on 12/3/16 at 12:04 am
Posted on 12/3/16 at 12:06 am to Jim Rockford
I notice you left out some key passages
Sounds like he was trying to avoid what happened in "Lone Survivor"
If nobody knows for certain, then that's a pretty serious allegation to be throwing around. But its not the first time this guy has opened his mouth. He was investigated by the Army for comments he made to Congress about hostage negotiating
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At the time, Mattis was reluctant to send aircraft without knowing the situation on the ground, “Well, if they’ve taken fire and you can’t tell me definitively how they got all scuffed up, I’m not going to send anything until you can assure me that the situation on the ground is secure,” Mattis is quoted as saying.
Sounds like he was trying to avoid what happened in "Lone Survivor"
quote:
“Cody died around the time we reached Rhino and I was told at least two Afghans died because of the delay but nobody knows for certain,” he wrote.
If nobody knows for certain, then that's a pretty serious allegation to be throwing around. But its not the first time this guy has opened his mouth. He was investigated by the Army for comments he made to Congress about hostage negotiating
Posted on 12/3/16 at 12:15 am to Jim Rockford
You have the best melts Jimmie.
Posted on 12/3/16 at 7:33 am to Jim Rockford
More convieniently timed smears?
Jesus, you libs are lucky as hell....unless it's Election Day.
#trollface
Jesus, you libs are lucky as hell....unless it's Election Day.
#trollface
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