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re: Now that the regular season is over: A comparison of Harris and Etling
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:59 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:59 pm to lsupride87
quote:Looks to me like Etling has faced 4 stout defenses out of 9, while Harris has played 3 stout defenses out of 13.
Harris
66
56
71
99
95
8
71
3
58
54
51
127
7
avg=
Etling
110
21
18
117
6
110
1
75
92
Avg=
So yes, the he had more cupcakes for his stats are a myth.
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Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:59 pm to Tigerdev
quote:
If teams aren't selling out to stop the run, Danny can't complete passes consistently. That is what he has shown
What. The. frick....
Posted on 11/29/16 at 12:59 pm to lsupride87
Dude, the coaches decided. It's over. Your love affair with Harris is duly noted.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 1:01 pm to Tigerdev
quote:100% agreed.
And I am saying that I agree he passes the eye ball test better than Harris. However, that did not translate to better production or most importantly into better play against good defenses. With Etling at QB playing as he has been, we need the running game to flat out dominate the other team for us to win. Against Bama he failed even in a basic caretaker role missing wide open layups multiple times. He either needs to improve or we need to hope there is a better QB on the roster next year.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 1:11 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Harris was 2/11 for I believe. I imagine over a season we would go from 42-43%
So you were wrong...I looked at the third down conversions and we were 59/135....which is 43.7%.
Take away Harris's 2 for 11 in the first two games and we're at 57/144....
which is 46%....thanks for pushing your narrative though.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 1:31 pm to setinways12
Yeh you are about 8 pages late on that
Posted on 11/29/16 at 1:32 pm to lsupride87
Here is a better comparison (common SEC opponents: MSU, AU, UF, OM, Bama, Arky, aTm)
Etling (2016):
108/178 60.67% 1,314yds 5TD 2Int
Harris (2015):
94/176 53.41% 1,153yds 6TD 5Int
In the end it shows you that the overall offense generated in the important games on the schedule favors Etling. There is also an experience factor for the skill position players (less drops, etc) and the opponent defenses were different last year. When you normalize the numbers, they are roughly even most likely.
However, when you add in that Etling makes much fewer mistakes mentally, the offense runs more smoothly with him at QB, drives a sustained better because he is more accurate in his throws and he goes through his progression better, it isn't even a contest. Etling at QB works better in the LSU offense this year. Harris's accuracy and touch on his passes is lacking and it hurts us. If he wants to compete for the starting spot next year, he needs to work on his accuracy and touch.
Etling (2016):
108/178 60.67% 1,314yds 5TD 2Int
Harris (2015):
94/176 53.41% 1,153yds 6TD 5Int
In the end it shows you that the overall offense generated in the important games on the schedule favors Etling. There is also an experience factor for the skill position players (less drops, etc) and the opponent defenses were different last year. When you normalize the numbers, they are roughly even most likely.
However, when you add in that Etling makes much fewer mistakes mentally, the offense runs more smoothly with him at QB, drives a sustained better because he is more accurate in his throws and he goes through his progression better, it isn't even a contest. Etling at QB works better in the LSU offense this year. Harris's accuracy and touch on his passes is lacking and it hurts us. If he wants to compete for the starting spot next year, he needs to work on his accuracy and touch.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 1:41 pm to Tigerdev
quote:That's been how this team has been built for the past 8 years or so. Play good defense, run the ball, and don't don't let the QB frick up.
With Etling at QB playing as he has been, we need the running game to flat out dominate the other team for us to win
I agree that they both leave a lot to be desired against the better defenses (although Harris did have his best game against Florida last year), but Harris even struggled against some of the mediocre and bad defenses
50% passing against syracuse
29% against eastern michigan
55% against western kentucky
51% against Ole miss
33% against a&m
Etling was inaccurate in his first LSU start against Jacksonville St (43%), but after that he hasn't passed below 63% against any defense ranked 50+
We don't know what offense we'll run next year, but most offenses have success if you can accurately complete the short to intermediate passes, and Etling has shown he can do that. With some improvement and an offense that actually takes advantage of matchups, I think Etling could have success against those better defenses next year.
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 11/29/16 at 1:46 pm to stho381
quote:That is a horrible take
Here is a better comparison (common SEC opponents: MSU, AU, UF, OM, Bama, Arky, aTm)
Etling (2016):
108/178 60.67% 1,314yds 5TD 2Int
Harris (2015):
94/176 53.41% 1,153yds 6TD 5Int
In the end it shows you that the overall offense generated in the important games on the schedule favors Etling. There is also an experience factor for the skill position players (less drops, etc) and the opponent defenses were different last year. When you normalize the numbers, they are roughly even most likely.
However, when you add in that Etling makes much fewer mistakes mentally, the offense runs more smoothly with him at QB, drives a sustained better because he is more accurate in his throws and he goes through his progression better, it isn't even a contest. Etling at QB works better in the LSU offense this year. Harris's accuracy and touch on his passes is lacking and it hurts us. If he wants to compete for the starting spot next year, he needs to work on his accuracy and touch.
2015- defensive rankings
Bama-3rd
MSU-56
ARKY-58
UF-8th
AU-71
OM-54
A&M-51
2016 defensive rankings
Bama-1st
Msu-110
Arky-75
UF-6th
Au-21st
Om-110
A&M-92
Posted on 11/29/16 at 1:52 pm to lsupride87
quote:
That is a horrible take
Both in their first year as starters Harris went against defenses averaging 43rd and Etling went against defenses averaging 59th.
I even qualified it stating that defenses were different between this year and last.
Please enlighten me how this is a horrible take and how you would recommend an objective comparison because Etling wins the subjective one.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 1:58 pm to stho381
Compare them game by game be defensive rankings
Not by team name
According to you, you want to compare Etling against the 110 ranked defense to Harris vs the 54th, simply because their team name is the same
Not by team name
According to you, you want to compare Etling against the 110 ranked defense to Harris vs the 54th, simply because their team name is the same
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:17 pm to lsupride87
Etling has moxie. He does not play scared
Harris has no moxie. He plays scared
We can actually throw screens, slants, & tight end passes over the middle now.
60% passing vs 54% is pretty big discrepancy at QB
Harris has no moxie. He plays scared
We can actually throw screens, slants, & tight end passes over the middle now.
60% passing vs 54% is pretty big discrepancy at QB
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:18 pm to ItNeverRains
quote:I think this is unfair criticism. I have never seen Harris play "scared."
He plays scared
Do I think Etling has better pocket presence? Absolutely. But I think you are just being an a-hole LSU fan calling him scared
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:33 pm to ItNeverRains
Scared is what I saw against Bama. He had that JL vs Bama thing down pat. Just bc the kid takes shots doesn't mean he has heart it means he is bat shite crazy bc if he keeps it up somebody is gonna make him go nite nite and i dont want that for him.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:36 pm to lsupride87
quote:
And, Etling had the joy of playing in our new improved offense
There was nothing new and improved about this offensive playbook, they just turned to page 2 of the playbook.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:37 pm to 5Alive
It amazes me after a full year of watching both players that anyone without an agenda could insinuate BH ever play in front of DE, barring injury.
It's pathetic and racial.
I honestly believe that. .... There's no other explanation.
It's pathetic and racial.
I honestly believe that. .... There's no other explanation.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:39 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Do I think Harris has better pocket presence? Absolutely.
Even though I know this is a typo, LO fricking L.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:43 pm to TIGRLEE
Nobody has said that. As usual you are gonna turn this into race. Let's see u pop up for JL/JJ comparison then you disappear for the AJ/BH comparison now you reappear for the BH/DE comparison. So who has a racial agenda? Everyone knows ur the biggest race troll on the board. Stop trying to derail a rather healthy debate about two LSU qbs
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:44 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:I mean to say Etling
Even though I know this is a typo, LO fricking L.
Posted on 11/29/16 at 2:48 pm to TIGRLEE
quote:Why do we always have to be so afraid of race?
It amazes me after a full year of watching both players that anyone without an agenda could insinuate BH ever play in front of DE, barring injury.
It's pathetic and racial.
I honestly believe that. .... There's no other explanation.
If we had two running backs putting up very similar numbers, and the black one looked smoother, I think it is fine to naturally lean towards the black running back
I do not think race is the #1 thing. I think people prefer Etling because his pocket presence and footwork is better, making him easier on the eyes.
I do think being white helps, but not for a racist meaning. There have been way more successful white qbs. So we would tend to lean towards wanting a white one. Which is natural, but people are about to freak the frick out because we as a society are a bunch of bitches when it comes to discussing anything race related
This post was edited on 11/29/16 at 2:49 pm
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