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Coaching Hire Philosophy, not just about LSU....but example is LSU
Posted on 11/15/16 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 11/15/16 at 2:53 pm
Why would any university, especially a major program hire someone as the HC without that individual having a major Defensive or Offensive philosophy (Orgeron).
I get that when you have a major program you will always have the threat coordinators leaving for other jobs (be it NFL, more money, HC somewhere, etc). But if you have a HC with a major Defensive or Offensive following / specialty(Fisher, Saban, Meyers, etc., hell you could even throw in an Aranda to a lesser degree), you really only have to worry about reloading / rebuilding one position on the coaching staff because the HC can more adapt and/or assist in his specialty.
I get a major program doesn't want to and really shouldn't take the gamble on a first time HC (Aranda), but I feel like at least you only have to worry about one side of the ball. You already have to overcome complete team turnover every 3-4 years with the players, do you really want to have to knock it out of the park with coordinators every 2-4 years also.
I'm not saying DON'T give Orgeron the job or DO give him the job. I'm just asking why would you want to add more uncertainty to the mix?
I really don't know what LSU (or any major program) should or shouldn't do, but can someone sell me on why they would be for giving an "Orgeron" the keys to a program, if you also are so worried about who the OC would be? If you say "we have to keep Aranda and he needs to make a homerun OC hire" to get the job, what happens in 2-4 years when the entire coaching staff and all the players have changed.
I wouldn't want to hinge my bet on every 2-4 years not only does he have to hit a home-run on one side of the ball, but he really has to do it on both. If you only make the HC hire based on keeping a top-flight DC and bringing in a top-flight OC this year, do you really respect or trust ANYONE to continue making that winning hire 2-3 times in a decade?
TL:DR...Screw me, what does it matter lets just roll some fricking dice and see what happens. What the worst that could happen?
I get that when you have a major program you will always have the threat coordinators leaving for other jobs (be it NFL, more money, HC somewhere, etc). But if you have a HC with a major Defensive or Offensive following / specialty(Fisher, Saban, Meyers, etc., hell you could even throw in an Aranda to a lesser degree), you really only have to worry about reloading / rebuilding one position on the coaching staff because the HC can more adapt and/or assist in his specialty.
I get a major program doesn't want to and really shouldn't take the gamble on a first time HC (Aranda), but I feel like at least you only have to worry about one side of the ball. You already have to overcome complete team turnover every 3-4 years with the players, do you really want to have to knock it out of the park with coordinators every 2-4 years also.
I'm not saying DON'T give Orgeron the job or DO give him the job. I'm just asking why would you want to add more uncertainty to the mix?
I really don't know what LSU (or any major program) should or shouldn't do, but can someone sell me on why they would be for giving an "Orgeron" the keys to a program, if you also are so worried about who the OC would be? If you say "we have to keep Aranda and he needs to make a homerun OC hire" to get the job, what happens in 2-4 years when the entire coaching staff and all the players have changed.
I wouldn't want to hinge my bet on every 2-4 years not only does he have to hit a home-run on one side of the ball, but he really has to do it on both. If you only make the HC hire based on keeping a top-flight DC and bringing in a top-flight OC this year, do you really respect or trust ANYONE to continue making that winning hire 2-3 times in a decade?
TL:DR...Screw me, what does it matter lets just roll some fricking dice and see what happens. What the worst that could happen?
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Posted on 11/15/16 at 3:00 pm to The Rodfather
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but can someone sell me on why they would be for giving an "Orgeron" the keys to a program, if you also are so worried about who the OC would be?
They can't do it because, no matter what they say, it makes ZERO sense
Posted on 11/15/16 at 3:03 pm to The Rodfather
That's a very intelligent post that makes a lot of sense. It's a waste though cause I'm not sure his supporters can read that long of a post.
If you're hiring a coach where you keep saying "if he can hire good coordinators," you should probably look elsewhere.
If you're hiring a coach where you keep saying "if he can hire good coordinators," you should probably look elsewhere.
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 11/15/16 at 3:06 pm to The Rodfather
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really don't know what LSU (or any major program) should or shouldn't do, but can someone sell me on why they would be for giving an "Orgeron" the keys to a program, if you also are so worried about who the OC would be?
Yep, you shouldn't have to worry about at least 1 side of the ball falling apart with teh wrong hire, but O you have to hope he can make great hires on both sides all the time.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 3:10 pm to The Rodfather
I agree. It just pisses me off that we didn't go ahead and get Jimbo last year.
You get to have Jimbo, Arranda and O all on the same staff and happut.
One of the greats on offense,defense and recruiting. What could've been guys.. what could've been
You get to have Jimbo, Arranda and O all on the same staff and happut.
One of the greats on offense,defense and recruiting. What could've been guys.. what could've been
Posted on 11/15/16 at 3:10 pm to The Rodfather
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why they would be for giving an "Orgeron" the keys to a program, if you also are so worried about who the OC would be?
I'll confuse you even more on this front. So, they want to keep O and have him hire an elite OC, right? Why are they so against hiring a HC who has already proven to be an elite OC?
Posted on 11/15/16 at 3:12 pm to The Rodfather
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Why would any university, especially a major program hire someone as the HC without that individual having a major Defensive or Offensive philosophy (Orgeron).
Ask Florida, Ohio State and Clemson. They have done it and the coaches are all still there except for Florida.
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what happens in 2-4 years when the entire coaching staff and all the players have changed.
O will probably pick up the phone and call some of the best CO's available and say "Hey, the guy that we were paying well over a million bucks to run the defense is leaving. You want to come here and make a name for yourself with some of the best talent in the country? You will be able to run that side of the ball however you see fit."
Posted on 11/15/16 at 3:39 pm to The Rodfather
Specifically for LSU, stick with the philosophy that has resulted in LSU's most successful, championship period in school history:
Hire a coach from a major conference that has had sustained success versus a relatively high level of competition - Saban from State, and Miles for OSU.
Fisher fits that criteria perfectly; my biggest concern is that he still has the fire to win another championship. Coaches with multiple championships is very rare.
Fedora fits that criteria. Herman doesn't, but seems like the most qualified candidate to take a chance on.
Hire a coach from a major conference that has had sustained success versus a relatively high level of competition - Saban from State, and Miles for OSU.
Fisher fits that criteria perfectly; my biggest concern is that he still has the fire to win another championship. Coaches with multiple championships is very rare.
Fedora fits that criteria. Herman doesn't, but seems like the most qualified candidate to take a chance on.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 3:48 pm to The Rodfather
Just wanted to throw this out there also. I posted it elsewhere but felt that it related to this.
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I'm not trolling. Can anyone give one example of a coach that had prior HC experience that had a winning record of 0.286 or even 0.417, that was a success at their next stop? Objectively with the "success" also, I'm not even going to ask for >0.750 or >0.800, just what you would deem a success for your school.
Remember, we are not talking about just any program, we are talking about YOUR program, the one that felt 0.770 (or 0.709 2012 - fired) was not successful enough to keep. Orgeron would have to win the next 2 games this year, then go on a run averaging 11 wins with 2 losses per year for the next 8 years to get to 0.714, Miles career record is currently 0.719. Please keep all that in mind when thinking about what constitutes "success" for you and your program.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 3:50 pm to The Rodfather
Ask the Baltimore Ravens. They hired a special teams coach and he won a SB
Just because someone was a coordinator doesn't mean that side of the ball is always going to be good Look at Bob Stoops and Charlie Strong's defense or Mcelwain's O
Just because someone was a coordinator doesn't mean that side of the ball is always going to be good Look at Bob Stoops and Charlie Strong's defense or Mcelwain's O
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