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re: PJ Fleck for LSU: 13-0 & MAC Champs edition (#ReauxTheBeauxt)
Posted on 10/13/16 at 8:35 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
Posted on 10/13/16 at 8:35 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
To me, what he has done is more impressive than herman. Not popular but the truth.
He actually built the program at Western Michigan. Brought them from the Cellar to the top.
Herman took over a well established program built by Briles, Sumlin, etc. He is in year two. What does Houston look like in year four? can he match the success he's having? I would say it's more likely he does not.
They both stared their career's as wr coaches. PJ has actually played and coached at the n.f.l. level. Herman hasn't.
People big thing was herman was the o.c. for ohio state when they beat bama. he was also the o.c. at iowa state. who did they beat? was it herman or Meyer that developed a team that beat bama. I'm going to go with Meyer since he did it at two other locations.
When you watch Fleck's interview, sounds a lot like saban. One game, preparing for pressure, bringing outside resources, n.f.l. g.m's to teach and learn, it's about a process, etc.
Since everyone concedes he's a great recruiter, how is that a bad thing for our program. most successful coaches win because they are able to get the best players.
He actually built the program at Western Michigan. Brought them from the Cellar to the top.
Herman took over a well established program built by Briles, Sumlin, etc. He is in year two. What does Houston look like in year four? can he match the success he's having? I would say it's more likely he does not.
They both stared their career's as wr coaches. PJ has actually played and coached at the n.f.l. level. Herman hasn't.
People big thing was herman was the o.c. for ohio state when they beat bama. he was also the o.c. at iowa state. who did they beat? was it herman or Meyer that developed a team that beat bama. I'm going to go with Meyer since he did it at two other locations.
When you watch Fleck's interview, sounds a lot like saban. One game, preparing for pressure, bringing outside resources, n.f.l. g.m's to teach and learn, it's about a process, etc.
Since everyone concedes he's a great recruiter, how is that a bad thing for our program. most successful coaches win because they are able to get the best players.
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Posted on 10/13/16 at 8:50 am to dos crystal
one big difference is that Herman has a pretty decent experience as a coordinator
that sounds like a nitpick, but it does show a different level of competency and experience (esp under a coach like Urban). i think fleck had a chance once to be OC and then quit a few days later to go be a positional coach in the NFL
i can't give you an exact formula, but guys going from positional coaches to successful HCs isn't that common
*ETA: urban meyer is a positional coach-HC guy, too. i guess his arc is the most similar to fleck's
that sounds like a nitpick, but it does show a different level of competency and experience (esp under a coach like Urban). i think fleck had a chance once to be OC and then quit a few days later to go be a positional coach in the NFL
i can't give you an exact formula, but guys going from positional coaches to successful HCs isn't that common
*ETA: urban meyer is a positional coach-HC guy, too. i guess his arc is the most similar to fleck's
This post was edited on 10/13/16 at 8:52 am
Posted on 10/13/16 at 9:09 am to dos crystal
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He actually built the program at Western Michigan. Brought them from the Cellar to the top.
WMU's turnaround has been impressive, but they haven't reached the top of anything yet.
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People big thing was herman was the o.c. for ohio state when they beat bama. he was also the o.c. at iowa state. who did they beat?
As an LSU fan, I would hope you remember this...
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Since everyone concedes he's a great recruiter, how is that a bad thing for our program. most successful coaches win because they are able to get the best players
No one has said it's a bad thing. But he's not the only great recruiter out there capable of getting the best talent.
Posted on 10/18/16 at 12:47 am to dos crystal
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When you watch Fleck's interview, sounds a lot like saban. One game, preparing for pressure, bringing outside resources, n.f.l. g.m's to teach and learn, it's about a process, etc.
I won't lie, I saw this immediately.
The hand gestures, the cadence, the attention to detail, etc...
I think he's a star in the making.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:27 am to dos crystal
Wrong. Herman was the key to their title run and when he left they dove in offensive rankings. I'm not sure O wouldn't be a better fit. They parallel each other as far as being a high energy guy who can recruit. Fleck has had success as a HC but O has done well as an interim. So imo fleck shouldn't be offered the job. If they go with a guy like him might as well go with O. It's gonn be jimbo of Herman. With the wildcard being Fedora
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