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So the distinction you're making here is whether or not a person is "qualified." So if a person is a security guard, that makes that individual more upstanding and responsible than an armed citizen? What about the two former soldiers who killed law enforcement officers in Dallas and Baton Rouge? Did their qualifications prevent them from committing murder?

Bap, you missed the point I was making.

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try to be more objective in this discussion. Using of facts is highly encouraged.

Take your own advice. And as far as fact, isn't it illegal to carry a gun in "gun free zones" on schools? Even with a CCP?

R.S. 40:1379.3 (N) states that no concealed handgun may be carried into and no concealed handgun permit issued pursuant to this Section shall authorize or entitle a permittee to carry a concealed handgun in any of the following:
A law enforcement office, station, or building;
A detention facility, prison, or jail;
A courthouse or courtroom, provided that a judge may carry such a weapon in his own courtroom;
A polling place;
A meeting place of the governing authority of a political subdivision;
The state capitol building;
Any portion of an airport facility where the carrying of firearms is prohibited under federal law, except that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, if the firearm is encased for shipment, for the purpose of checking such firearm as lawful baggage;
Any church, synagogue, mosque or similar place of worship; See RS 40:1379.3 (U)
A parade or demonstration for which a permit is issued by a governmental entity;
Any portion of the permitted area of an establishment that has been granted a Class A-General retail permit, as defined in Part II of Chapter 1 or Part II of Chapter 2 of Title 26 of the Louisiana Revised Statutes of 1950, to sell alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises.
Any school "firearm free zone" as defined in R.S. 14:95.6.

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Posted by bapple

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Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:34 pm to stewie

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After laws were enacted to prohibit guns in schools, the murder rate dropped.

Violent crime overall has continued to drop since the early 90s with only a small uptick in 05-06. Saying that it was ONLY because of a law that doesn't physically remove guns from anyone doesn't add up. You've probably heard "correlation does not equal causation."

You need to also consider the fact that gun ownership is at a record high today. That says a lot for the number of guns not necessarily affecting the violent crime rate nationally.

The study you link also stops in 2006. If you had gotten data for the next 10 years, you would've probably seen an even larger decrease even though gun rights have expanded and the number of firearms has increased dramatically. But from that link...

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with substantially higher homicide rates among male students and students in urban areas

This is not new data. We know where most violent crime occurs - large metropolitan areas mostly in the poor inner cities.

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Take your own advice. And as far as fact, isn't it illegal to carry a gun in "gun free zones" on schools? Even with a CCP?

Yes it is.

I don't know what you mean by "take your own advice" though. I'm quite aware of state-prohibited areas for carriage of firearms. If I didn't I would be a terrible concealed carry instructor.