Let's not talk at this level. Come on man. Guns are not thinking beings. It requires active use to commit crimes.

And again I'll reiterate that concealed carriers commit crimes at a lower rate than even law enforcement. They account for way less than 1% of crimes nationally.

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It's a risk because we don't know what the user is going to do with it.

This is based on emotion.

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You may be perfectly fine but what about the next guy with a concealed gun?

This is based on emotion.

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Or if an incident does occur, how does a security guard or police differentiate between you and a person trying to harm someone?

So the distinction you're making here is whether or not a person is "qualified." So if a person is a security guard, that makes that individual more upstanding and responsible than an armed citizen? What about the two former soldiers who killed law enforcement officers in Dallas and Baton Rouge? Did their qualifications prevent them from committing murder?

And most self defense incidents will not have a security guard or law enforcement officer present since they don't prevent crime and generally come after the fact. The only person who is responsible for my own safety is me.

If I somehow got into a situation where I was wrongfully shot by police or security for having my concealed handgun out, that is a risk I'm willing to take.

Please try to be more objective in this discussion. Using of facts is highly encouraged.

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Posted by upgrayedd

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Member since Mar 2013

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Posted on 7/26/16 at 1:34 pm to bapple

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So the distinction you're making here is whether or not a person is "qualified." So if a person is a security guard, that makes that individual more upstanding and responsible than an armed citizen?

This security guard did a little damage at an Orlando club.

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Posted by LSU316

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Member since Nov 2007

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Posted on 7/26/16 at 1:38 pm to bapple

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Using of facts is highly encouraged.

Good to see someone is still fighting the good fight even on Tigerdroppings....I'm so jaded that I'm certain the ability to rely on facts for discussion is 100% absent for most posters on this site regardless of board.

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Posted by stewie

Member since Jan 2006

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Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:18 pm to bapple

Facts - Lower Murder Rate in School After Gun Laws Enacted

After laws were enacted to prohibit guns in schools, the murder rate dropped.

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So the distinction you're making here is whether or not a person is "qualified." So if a person is a security guard, that makes that individual more upstanding and responsible than an armed citizen? What about the two former soldiers who killed law enforcement officers in Dallas and Baton Rouge? Did their qualifications prevent them from committing murder?

Bap, you missed the point I was making.

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try to be more objective in this discussion. Using of facts is highly encouraged.

Take your own advice. And as far as fact, isn't it illegal to carry a gun in "gun free zones" on schools? Even with a CCP?

R.S. 40:1379.3 (N) states that no concealed handgun may be carried into and no concealed handgun permit issued pursuant to this Section shall authorize or entitle a permittee to carry a concealed handgun in any of the following:
A law enforcement office, station, or building;
A detention facility, prison, or jail;
A courthouse or courtroom, provided that a judge may carry such a weapon in his own courtroom;
A polling place;
A meeting place of the governing authority of a political subdivision;
The state capitol building;
Any portion of an airport facility where the carrying of firearms is prohibited under federal law, except that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, if the firearm is encased for shipment, for the purpose of checking such firearm as lawful baggage;
Any church, synagogue, mosque or similar place of worship; See RS 40:1379.3 (U)
A parade or demonstration for which a permit is issued by a governmental entity;
Any portion of the permitted area of an establishment that has been granted a Class A-General retail permit, as defined in Part II of Chapter 1 or Part II of Chapter 2 of Title 26 of the Louisiana Revised Statutes of 1950, to sell alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises.
Any school "firearm free zone" as defined in R.S. 14:95.6.

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