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re: Anyone trade these LEAP calls before?
Posted on 6/29/16 at 10:03 pm to cokebottleag
Posted on 6/29/16 at 10:03 pm to cokebottleag
Yes, to answer your question. It allows a long or short position for less capital outlay in its simplest form, and it allows a loss certain in each case. The loss certain is obviously much less than either buying, or short selling the underlying security, or commodity.
It allows a whole bunch of other things as well, but for the average investor, the above explanation is basically it.
Warren Buffett, who has publically said several times derivatives are bad, has interestingly enough also used leap puts extensively. He has hinted in one of his letters that there is opportunity in leaps due to market inefficiencies.
Purchasing a call or put, or leap call or leap put, is one of the safest, most conservative form of investing that there is, contrary to what others have written.
Bigfalla is talking above (loosely) about a bull call calendar spread above. I think what he is referring to is buying higher strike price leap calls, and selling calls monthly at an even higher strike. To oversimplify, the loss potential here is the difference between strike prices.
Selling naked, or partially naked calls is not something most would want to do unless they fully understood what they're doing.
Literally, and it might be too late now, there was leap call opportunity in oil (as a stock option USO) natural gag (as a stock option UNG) and silver (as a stock option SLV). The pricing models were way out of whack, and I traded all three.
So on oil as an example, rather than attempt to guess the bottom for Conco as an example, I went long leaps calls on USO.
Now those are three recent things that aligned perfectly for me. Meaning I thought it was a no brainer, and I follow all three commodities fairly closely.
The way I invest, trade if you want to call it that, might mean in my case, there might not be another opportunity like the above three for several years.
It allows a whole bunch of other things as well, but for the average investor, the above explanation is basically it.
Warren Buffett, who has publically said several times derivatives are bad, has interestingly enough also used leap puts extensively. He has hinted in one of his letters that there is opportunity in leaps due to market inefficiencies.
Purchasing a call or put, or leap call or leap put, is one of the safest, most conservative form of investing that there is, contrary to what others have written.
Bigfalla is talking above (loosely) about a bull call calendar spread above. I think what he is referring to is buying higher strike price leap calls, and selling calls monthly at an even higher strike. To oversimplify, the loss potential here is the difference between strike prices.
Selling naked, or partially naked calls is not something most would want to do unless they fully understood what they're doing.
Literally, and it might be too late now, there was leap call opportunity in oil (as a stock option USO) natural gag (as a stock option UNG) and silver (as a stock option SLV). The pricing models were way out of whack, and I traded all three.
So on oil as an example, rather than attempt to guess the bottom for Conco as an example, I went long leaps calls on USO.
Now those are three recent things that aligned perfectly for me. Meaning I thought it was a no brainer, and I follow all three commodities fairly closely.
The way I invest, trade if you want to call it that, might mean in my case, there might not be another opportunity like the above three for several years.
This post was edited on 6/29/16 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 6/30/16 at 8:36 am to Iowa Golfer
Great post Iowa Golfer.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 1:57 pm to Iowa Golfer
After reading a bit more, I think I understand. To summarize in my admittedly 5 year old comprehension:
If I see that Chevron stock is trading at $100 a share right now, and I want to make a bet that it is going to rise in the future, but I don't actually want to own stock, I can buy a call option.
I look on my broker's website, and I see a call option (for 100 shares) for $100 strike price with an expiry of 19JAN18 has an ask price of $10. I assume that's per share, because the alternative is crazy.
So by purchasing this option, I have limited my loss to a certain loss of $1000, but to break even (before taxes), all I have to do is do either one of the following before the option expires:
- Exercise my option and purchase the stock. Sell the stock at $110.01 a share (.01 gain per share)
- Resell my option if the price of the option rises above $10, but this is a highly unlikely event as options decrease in value as the expiry date approaches, unless the stock rises significantly, in which case, its better to just exercise the option.
Can Golfer or someone who knows confirm the above is the correct understanding? Basically in this scenario, I limit my potential losses to $1000, but I have the potential to gain 'bigly'.
If I see that Chevron stock is trading at $100 a share right now, and I want to make a bet that it is going to rise in the future, but I don't actually want to own stock, I can buy a call option.
I look on my broker's website, and I see a call option (for 100 shares) for $100 strike price with an expiry of 19JAN18 has an ask price of $10. I assume that's per share, because the alternative is crazy.
So by purchasing this option, I have limited my loss to a certain loss of $1000, but to break even (before taxes), all I have to do is do either one of the following before the option expires:
- Exercise my option and purchase the stock. Sell the stock at $110.01 a share (.01 gain per share)
- Resell my option if the price of the option rises above $10, but this is a highly unlikely event as options decrease in value as the expiry date approaches, unless the stock rises significantly, in which case, its better to just exercise the option.
Can Golfer or someone who knows confirm the above is the correct understanding? Basically in this scenario, I limit my potential losses to $1000, but I have the potential to gain 'bigly'.
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 2:02 pm
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