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re: Journalists guide to the Firearms

Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:30 am to
Posted by t1gerst1gerst1gers
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:30 am to
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To be a true assault rifle, it has to have selective fire.


This seems to be splitting hairs to me.... I've never really understood why gun fanboys get their panties in a wad whenever the press says assault rifle when explaining a store bought AR and/or AK... To the common man on the street said rifles are indeed assault rifles. Just seems like a really stupid thing to get hung up on.


Fwiw, I dig guns. Shoot em often. Fam has quite a few "black" guns and I don't get offended when one refers to them as assault rifles. Hell, I'd prolly describe them as such myself.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:36 am to
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This seems to be splitting hairs to me


Tell that to the ATF - they're expert at it.

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I've never really understood guns


FTFY

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whenever the press says assault rifle when explaining a store bought AR and/or AK


Because they mess everything up about reporting any type of shooting incident. If we were to quit holding them to standards their reporting be accurate, how bad could it get? It's already terrible. Certainly you would agree with that - the modern state of journalism is unimaginably bad.

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I dig guns. Shoot em often.


Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
56472 posts
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:37 am to
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I've never really understood why gun fanboys get their panties in a wad whenever the press says assault rifle when explaining a store bought AR and/or AK... To the common man on the street said rifles are indeed assault rifles. Just seems like a really stupid thing to get hung up on.

Because then, future "assault weapons ban" legislation will cover a lot more firearms than would be warranted under a stricter definition. That's why they blur the term. They want it to be as generalized and sweeping as possible.
Posted by jbgleason
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:38 am to
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Fam has quite a few "black" guns and I don't get offended when one refers to them as assault rifles. Hell, I'd prolly describe them as such myself.


That is an Assault Post. We should go ahead and coin that along with Assault Statement for the SJW's every time they get triggered.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:45 am to
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This seems to be splitting hairs to me....


Except that it's not. By definition for a rifle to be an "assault rifle" it has to have selective fire capability. To call an AR-15 an assault rifle is like calling a go-cart down at the local track a NASCAR simply because it's painted to looked like Jr's car. Unless a rifle has selective fire capability, it's not an assault rife, even if it's designed to look like one.

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I've never really understood why gun fanboys get their panties in a wad whenever the press says assault rifle when explaining a store bought AR and/or AK... To the common man on the street said rifles are indeed assault rifles. Just seems like a really stupid thing to get hung up on.


No, it's not a stupid thing to get hung up on because there is a HUGE difference between an actual assault rifle and a semi-automatic rifle that looks like one but does not function like one.

This is an assault rifle....

It can fire in either semi-automatic mode or, depending on the version can fire in 3 round burst or fully automatic mode.

This is a semi-automatic rifle built to LOOK like an assault rifle.

It can only fire one round each time the trigger is depressed. Before it can fire another round the trigger must be released and then depressed again. This rifle functions in the exact same way as this rifle....
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
20033 posts
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:46 am to
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This seems to be splitting hairs to me.... I've never really understood why gun fanboys get their panties in a wad whenever the press says assault rifle when explaining a store bought AR and/or AK... To the common man on the street said rifles are indeed assault rifles. Just seems like a really stupid thing to get hung up on.


Well, I am no gun fanboy, but can understand why. It is because the conversation about guns gets derailed by them. This is because of ignorance on the topic by the media, which the OP (or pic posted in OP) is trying to point out.

Every time there is a shooting incident, the talking heads always seem to bring up the point that "there is no reason for a person to own a fully automatic assualt rifle." Since these types of guns have a certain look, they are pretty much all labled as AR's, which people treat synonymously with "Assualt Rifle." So naturally, people shift the conversation to Fully Auto's and how they shouldn't be legal.

As pointed out on this board, (legal) fully auto's are in a finite supply, and are typically prohibitively expensive, especially considering the quality/age of the firearm.

So what I am trying to say, is that this conversation always seems to get shifted to fully auto guns, which are just not a huge threat in civilian crime in this country. The "AR's" that you see are not much different than most rifles, other than how they look, and of course magazine capacity, which is also regulated.There just isn't much that you could do with one of these weapons that you couldn't do with a weapon made for hunting or personal protection.

So the bottom line is that "fanboys" are likely the ones that see no real difference in these guns than any other guns, so there is no real reason to single them out.



Posted by therick711
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:50 am to
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This seems to be splitting hairs to me.... I've never really understood why gun fanboys get their panties in a wad whenever the press says assault rifle when explaining a store bought AR and/or AK... To the common man on the street said rifles are indeed assault rifles. Just seems like a really stupid thing to get hung up on.


Spoken like someone who doesn't understand it. The whole point is pushing back on the idea that a gun that looks a certain way is not equivalent to the gun miliataries use.
Posted by ThaKaptin
The Sultan of Swag
Member since Nov 2010
21741 posts
Posted on 6/14/16 at 11:34 am to
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This seems to be splitting hairs to me.... I've never really understood why gun fanboys get their panties in a wad whenever the press says assault rifle when explaining a store bought AR and/or AK... To the common man on the street said rifles are indeed assault rifles. Just seems like a really stupid thing to get hung up on.



It's stupid to get hung up on it until legislation starts being prepared using it as the basis of the guidelines. If Hilary is elected, you are going to see a major push from the white house to start new gun legislation. Now that there is a liberal majority on the SCotUS, you are going to see some seriously retarded anti-2nd amendment rulings on wording that people with a 3rd grade education can tell you the meaning of. The only thing giving even a glimmer of hope is that the right currently owns the legislative branch, but with a liberal ownership of the other 2 branches, its going to hard to hold it back, especially with this trend of executive orders consisting of more than just earthquake preparedness the past few presidencies. And if a executive order goes 30 days without being challenged by congress, it becomes law.

No, there is no splitting hairs and there is nothing stupid to get hung up on. It's a very serious distinction that as long as the media keeps blurring and muddying, will gain public traction and when it comes time to put into writing the guidelines on new legislation, it will make an ENORMOUS difference.
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