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The Herd: LeBron Most "Valuable" Player...numbers don't lie
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:36 am
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:36 am
Hits on plenty of facts, stating that the NBA and it's awards are never accurate of what is actual. Gave the example of Phil Jackson only having 1 NBA Coach of the year, yet he has 11 rings? Then says oh Byron Scott has a coach of the year as well..just stating how inaccurate the awards are.
Now back to LeBron, He brings up how "Valuable" LeBron is to the Cavs displaying their record with Lebron in Cleveland, Lebron not in Cleveland(their record without him) then when he returns...
(2005-2006) 50-32
(2006-2007) 50-32
(2007-2008) 45-37
(2008-2009) 66-16
(2009-2010) 61-21
(2010-2011) 19-63
(2011-2012) 21-45
(2012-2013) 24-58
(2013-2014) 33-49
(2014-2015) 53-29
(2015-2016) 57-25
The years without LeBron, the years with LeBron, it outweighs any debate anyone wants to have on how the Cavs are without LeBron on the court....I'm sure someone could pull up the stat of how the Cavs are these past 2 seasons without Lebron on the court..
For the MJ Goat lovers....Check the Bulls record with and without MJ
(1990-1991) 61-21
(1991-1992) 67-15
(1992-1993) 57-25
(1993-1994) 55-27
(1994-1995) 47-35
(1995-1996) 72-10
(1996-1997) 69-13
(1997-1998) 62-20
Bulls stayed the course..they didn't win the ship those 2 seasons, but they still had successful seasons and were +.500 records (MJ played in the 2nd "off season" but they didn't reach the finals)
Just saying, I don't think that anyone else in the league was more worthy to win PLAYER OF THE YEAR more than Steph Curry; unbelievable season. LeBron is easily the best player in the league and the MOST VALUABLE
Now back to LeBron, He brings up how "Valuable" LeBron is to the Cavs displaying their record with Lebron in Cleveland, Lebron not in Cleveland(their record without him) then when he returns...
(2005-2006) 50-32
(2006-2007) 50-32
(2007-2008) 45-37
(2008-2009) 66-16
(2009-2010) 61-21
(2010-2011) 19-63
(2011-2012) 21-45
(2012-2013) 24-58
(2013-2014) 33-49
(2014-2015) 53-29
(2015-2016) 57-25
The years without LeBron, the years with LeBron, it outweighs any debate anyone wants to have on how the Cavs are without LeBron on the court....I'm sure someone could pull up the stat of how the Cavs are these past 2 seasons without Lebron on the court..
For the MJ Goat lovers....Check the Bulls record with and without MJ
(1990-1991) 61-21
(1991-1992) 67-15
(1992-1993) 57-25
(1993-1994) 55-27
(1994-1995) 47-35
(1995-1996) 72-10
(1996-1997) 69-13
(1997-1998) 62-20
Bulls stayed the course..they didn't win the ship those 2 seasons, but they still had successful seasons and were +.500 records (MJ played in the 2nd "off season" but they didn't reach the finals)
Just saying, I don't think that anyone else in the league was more worthy to win PLAYER OF THE YEAR more than Steph Curry; unbelievable season. LeBron is easily the best player in the league and the MOST VALUABLE
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Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:38 am to longhorn22
You had me at
quote:
LeBron Most "Valuable" Player.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:40 am to longhorn22
Herd lookin for jimmies to rustle...
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:41 am to longhorn22
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Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:42 am to longhorn22
quote:That's apples to oranges.
Gave the example of Phil Jackson only having 1 NBA Coach of the year
Coach of the Year is almost always just the best new coach whose team overachieved expectations, in every sport. I don't know why they're so intent on giving it that way, probably because it would be boring if Pop won it every year. With MVP they actually try to give it to the most valuable player
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:42 am to longhorn22
"Alabama's dynasty is over." - Colin Cowherd, September 2015.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:42 am to longhorn22
quote:
(2010-2011) 19-63
(2011-2012) 21-45
(2012-2013) 24-58
(2013-2014) 33-49
The Cavs lost 75% of their roster (to FA, injury and retirement) and their coach in 2010. I've actually broken this down on this board to dispel the myth you are propagating in the OP. Then they openly went into tank-mode for lottery picks.
This thread is dumb. Really dumb.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:44 am to longhorn22
I'm certainly open to a new award being created.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:44 am to longhorn22
Unique take full of information never presented here before.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:53 am to longhorn22
As a LeBron homer, I disagree with his assessment. Across almost all value-added metrics, Steph was better this season. Even though his team was better, as a player, he added more value to his team.
LeBron was close though, just not to Steph's level.
LeBron was close though, just not to Steph's level.
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 11:57 am
Posted on 5/9/16 at 12:07 pm to longhorn22
quote:
Just saying, I don't think that anyone else in the league was more worthy to win PLAYER OF THE YEAR more than Steph Curry; unbelievable season. LeBron is easily the best player in the league and the MOST VALUABLE
quote:
PLAYER OF THE YEAR
If that award even existed, Curry should win that one too
Posted on 5/9/16 at 12:10 pm to longhorn22
Cowherd's career is basically one long rustle safari collecting jimmie pelts
Posted on 5/9/16 at 12:57 pm to longhorn22
"Most valuable player" doesn't mean most valuable to a particular team. That's a ridiculous and silly definition.
It means who is the most valuable player in the league. As in, who was the best player in the league this year?
It means who is the most valuable player in the league. As in, who was the best player in the league this year?
Posted on 5/9/16 at 1:07 pm to longhorn22
quote:
(2013-2014) 33-49
(2014-2015) 53-29
LeBron: 20 game improvement
quote:
(1994-1995) 47-35
(1995-1996) 72-10
Michael: 25 game improvement
Posted on 5/9/16 at 1:38 pm to longhorn22
This is why all MVP awards should just be MOP awards. It's hard to argue who is the "most valuable."
Posted on 5/9/16 at 1:46 pm to longhorn22
quote:
(2005-2006) 50-32
(2006-2007) 50-32
(2007-2008) 45-37
(2008-2009) 66-16
(2009-2010) 61-21
(2010-2011) 19-63
(2011-2012) 21-45
(2012-2013) 24-58
(2013-2014) 33-49
(2014-2015) 53-29
(2015-2016) 57-25
How many NBA championships were won in the above Cleveland Cavs years?
I'll hang up and listen.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:05 pm to longhorn22
People can argue what they want. The fact is:
If the award is being given out based on the literal meaning of the words, "Most Valuable Player", then LeBron is absolutely more deserving of it than Curry.
If the award is simply being given to the best player performance in the NBA for this year, then I have no issue with Curry getting it.
The award needs to either be renamed or have the definition of the award clearly stated, because in no way is Curry more valuable to the Warriors, than LeBron is to the Cavs.
If the award is being given out based on the literal meaning of the words, "Most Valuable Player", then LeBron is absolutely more deserving of it than Curry.
If the award is simply being given to the best player performance in the NBA for this year, then I have no issue with Curry getting it.
The award needs to either be renamed or have the definition of the award clearly stated, because in no way is Curry more valuable to the Warriors, than LeBron is to the Cavs.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 4:07 pm to longhorn22
Those that think its even a question that MJ isn't better than Lebron are simply the younger bucks on here that didn't see MJ play.
It's really not close. MJ wanted to win so much more and there's a reason he never lost a finals.
Watch the dream team documentary and even guys like Magic and Bird understood how much better MJ was compared to everyone else, including themselves.
It's really not close. MJ wanted to win so much more and there's a reason he never lost a finals.
Watch the dream team documentary and even guys like Magic and Bird understood how much better MJ was compared to everyone else, including themselves.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 5:08 pm to longhorn22
I agree that LeBron is more of an MVP than Steph. I also think Draymond is more valuable to the Warriors success than Steph is. No, he doesn't score as many points or shoot all the 3s but take him away from that team and I don't think they're anywhere close to the record they finished with. I feel there are 3 or 4 players that deserved "MVP" over Curry. Now best player in the league this year? Or best scorer? That's a different story. Steph would be on top. The player that wins MVP should be a guy who makes his team very good by playing or very bad by not playing.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 12:51 am to longhorn22
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longhorn22
Goodnight, sweet prince
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