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Why are Claiborne and Mingo busting?

Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:36 pm
Posted by xxKylexx
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:36 pm
Just did browsing before the draft trying to read up on different team needs and what not, anyway Dallas fans really hate Claiborne and Browns fans really hate Mingo. What gives? I remember both of these guys being beasts for LSU.
Posted by SmoothOperator96
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Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:38 pm to
They've been solid in the NFL
Saints should take a look

Obligatory "NOLA hates LSU"

Claiborne could definitely be an upgrade from Browner
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 1:40 pm
Posted by NFLSU
Screwston, Texas
Member since Oct 2014
16708 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:38 pm to
Dallas runs a zone scheme with their DBs and their pass rush has been nonexistent.

Mingo was forced into a OLB position when he's clearly a WDE.

Great players in the wrong systems.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68951 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:39 pm to
Same reason why a 7th round pic out of hofstra became the all time receiver for the saints. The draft is a crap shoot at best.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25255 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:39 pm to
A mixture of personal failings and schematic misfits.

You take a press man guy in college and make him a cover two squatter on a team with no pass rush. You take an undersized end with speed and make him cover backs and tight ends. Then you wonder why those guys aren't producing like they did in college.

Add to that that Mingo had a serious shoulder injury, Claiborne has had a bunch of serious injuries, Mingo can't keep weight on, and Claiborne didn't appear motivated for large parts of his early career.
Posted by TooDumbToFail
Good Ole 'Merica
Member since Apr 2016
734 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:45 pm to
Scheme. Playing out of position and not to their strengths I think is a big part.
Posted by dj30
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2006
28735 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:48 pm to
Mingo production in college didnt match his draft selection.
Have no clue on Mo. Thought he was going to be a stud.
Posted by apfour21
New Orleans, LA
Member since Nov 2012
3143 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:48 pm to
Mingo is in a shitty situation. Claiborne showed improvement last season but was still underwhelming. From what I've watched, Claiborne seemed to have mental issues to execute their scheme.
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 1:51 pm
Posted by OKtiger
Tulsa, OK
Member since Nov 2014
8595 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:50 pm to
Mingo was just a freak athlete with hardly any pass rushing moves or ability.

College tape screams that.

Unfortunately, he went to a team that could not help him develop him at all in Cleveland
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
48067 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:53 pm to
Claiborne was drafted by a team that at the time was a cover 2 team your corners are basically zone type small safeties and he's a man corner since then it's been injuries and friction with the staff. Mingo just needs to be in a better place Cleveland is a graveyard and it's hard to progress there.
Posted by Lsuchs
Member since Apr 2013
8073 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:03 pm to
Because if you're a top 10 pick and dont end up all pro fans end up hating you
Posted by jtran1988
Corndog U
Member since Oct 2008
5321 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:16 pm to
They just didn't fit the defensive system. I hope to see Mingo purely used as a OLB pass rusher and Mo in a man-based coverage system.
Posted by ShreveportTiger1987
Shreveport
Member since Jan 2014
5494 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:38 pm to
Some Dallas fans may hate him, I don't and 99% of other Cowboy fans I know don't either.
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
13734 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:41 pm to
Because CPM is the worst coach ever and we have a pitcher coaching 3rd base.
Posted by CunningLinguist
Dallas, TX
Member since Mar 2006
18792 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:53 pm to
Claiborne is one of the bigger busts of all time
Posted by Kirby4life
Frisco, Texas
Member since Sep 2011
260 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:12 pm to
Most Cowboy fans felt like Claiborne busted only because of where he was drafted along with injury plagued first few seasons. This year, most Dallas fans that I know, see him as a player and I believe he will be fine. Don't know if can say the same for Mingo. He may benefit from a change of scenery.

Hope all of our guys who got drafted in late rounds this year prove to be all pros!

Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:14 pm to
Claiborne had an injury.
Posted by DHS1997
BATON ROUGE
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:26 pm to
Bought the Mama a house and an Escalade they are sucessful
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46627 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:40 pm to
Because they asked a man coverage cb to play cover 2 while having zero pass rush.

Mingo shouldn't be an olb.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39776 posts
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:55 pm to
Claiborne was overrated. He should have been a late first round pick, which still makes him a great prospect, but wouldn't make him anywhere near the bust he's considered now.

Mingo was always a mystery to me. He was freakishly fast and extremely strong for his size. However, while he was strong enough to hold his own against college tackles, he's not strong enough to handle NFL linemen. And while he's fast as hell for a DE, he's not good enough in space for a LB.

So not strong enough for an NFL DE and not mobile enough for a LB - he's a tweener. He looked like a tweener before the draft, and that's just what he's turned out to be - another Renaldo Turnbull.
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