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Why are Claiborne and Mingo busting?
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:36 pm
Just did browsing before the draft trying to read up on different team needs and what not, anyway Dallas fans really hate Claiborne and Browns fans really hate Mingo. What gives? I remember both of these guys being beasts for LSU.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:38 pm to xxKylexx
They've been solid in the NFL
Saints should take a look
Obligatory "NOLA hates LSU"
Claiborne could definitely be an upgrade from Browner
Saints should take a look
Obligatory "NOLA hates LSU"
Claiborne could definitely be an upgrade from Browner
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:38 pm to xxKylexx
Dallas runs a zone scheme with their DBs and their pass rush has been nonexistent.
Mingo was forced into a OLB position when he's clearly a WDE.
Great players in the wrong systems.
Mingo was forced into a OLB position when he's clearly a WDE.
Great players in the wrong systems.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:39 pm to xxKylexx
Same reason why a 7th round pic out of hofstra became the all time receiver for the saints. The draft is a crap shoot at best.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:39 pm to xxKylexx
A mixture of personal failings and schematic misfits.
You take a press man guy in college and make him a cover two squatter on a team with no pass rush. You take an undersized end with speed and make him cover backs and tight ends. Then you wonder why those guys aren't producing like they did in college.
Add to that that Mingo had a serious shoulder injury, Claiborne has had a bunch of serious injuries, Mingo can't keep weight on, and Claiborne didn't appear motivated for large parts of his early career.
You take a press man guy in college and make him a cover two squatter on a team with no pass rush. You take an undersized end with speed and make him cover backs and tight ends. Then you wonder why those guys aren't producing like they did in college.
Add to that that Mingo had a serious shoulder injury, Claiborne has had a bunch of serious injuries, Mingo can't keep weight on, and Claiborne didn't appear motivated for large parts of his early career.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:45 pm to xxKylexx
Scheme. Playing out of position and not to their strengths I think is a big part.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:48 pm to xxKylexx
Mingo production in college didnt match his draft selection.
Have no clue on Mo. Thought he was going to be a stud.
Have no clue on Mo. Thought he was going to be a stud.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:48 pm to xxKylexx
Mingo is in a shitty situation. Claiborne showed improvement last season but was still underwhelming. From what I've watched, Claiborne seemed to have mental issues to execute their scheme.
This post was edited on 5/4/16 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:50 pm to xxKylexx
Mingo was just a freak athlete with hardly any pass rushing moves or ability.
College tape screams that.
Unfortunately, he went to a team that could not help him develop him at all in Cleveland
College tape screams that.
Unfortunately, he went to a team that could not help him develop him at all in Cleveland
Posted on 5/4/16 at 1:53 pm to xxKylexx
Claiborne was drafted by a team that at the time was a cover 2 team your corners are basically zone type small safeties and he's a man corner since then it's been injuries and friction with the staff. Mingo just needs to be in a better place Cleveland is a graveyard and it's hard to progress there.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:03 pm to xxKylexx
Because if you're a top 10 pick and dont end up all pro fans end up hating you
Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:16 pm to xxKylexx
They just didn't fit the defensive system. I hope to see Mingo purely used as a OLB pass rusher and Mo in a man-based coverage system.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:38 pm to xxKylexx
Some Dallas fans may hate him, I don't and 99% of other Cowboy fans I know don't either.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:41 pm to xxKylexx
Because CPM is the worst coach ever and we have a pitcher coaching 3rd base.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 2:53 pm to xxKylexx
Claiborne is one of the bigger busts of all time
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:12 pm to xxKylexx
Most Cowboy fans felt like Claiborne busted only because of where he was drafted along with injury plagued first few seasons. This year, most Dallas fans that I know, see him as a player and I believe he will be fine. Don't know if can say the same for Mingo. He may benefit from a change of scenery.
Hope all of our guys who got drafted in late rounds this year prove to be all pros!
Hope all of our guys who got drafted in late rounds this year prove to be all pros!
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:26 pm to xxKylexx
Bought the Mama a house and an Escalade they are sucessful
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:40 pm to xxKylexx
Because they asked a man coverage cb to play cover 2 while having zero pass rush.
Mingo shouldn't be an olb.
Mingo shouldn't be an olb.
Posted on 5/4/16 at 3:55 pm to xxKylexx
Claiborne was overrated. He should have been a late first round pick, which still makes him a great prospect, but wouldn't make him anywhere near the bust he's considered now.
Mingo was always a mystery to me. He was freakishly fast and extremely strong for his size. However, while he was strong enough to hold his own against college tackles, he's not strong enough to handle NFL linemen. And while he's fast as hell for a DE, he's not good enough in space for a LB.
So not strong enough for an NFL DE and not mobile enough for a LB - he's a tweener. He looked like a tweener before the draft, and that's just what he's turned out to be - another Renaldo Turnbull.
Mingo was always a mystery to me. He was freakishly fast and extremely strong for his size. However, while he was strong enough to hold his own against college tackles, he's not strong enough to handle NFL linemen. And while he's fast as hell for a DE, he's not good enough in space for a LB.
So not strong enough for an NFL DE and not mobile enough for a LB - he's a tweener. He looked like a tweener before the draft, and that's just what he's turned out to be - another Renaldo Turnbull.
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