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People who don't like these policies can choose to not work for companies such as Exxon, many other refiners, chemical plant owners, pipeline operators and power companies.

I'm quite familiar with this since I'm an engineer. I wasn't necessarily focusing on the industrial aspect and more so talking about being pulled over.

My main focus was that it's unconstitutional for an officer to pull someone over, have that person refuse a vehicle search, and then be forced to stay and wait for a canine unit. As far as the literature I've read, they have no right to force you to wait without probable cause.

As much as I disagree with industrial policies regarding firearms in personal vehicles, every plant and mill I have gone to reserves the right to search your vehicle on their property. Every site specific test says it, every policy says it, and I understand it. I don't like it, but it's the way the policies are written right now so I have to respect it.

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Posted by JamalSanders

On a boat

Member since Jul 2015

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Posted on 3/2/16 at 8:21 am to bapple

All company officers are required to carry at work and everyone else is supposed to keep ours in the car. But don't ask, don't tell pretty much rules.

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Posted by FelicianaTigerfan

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Posted on 3/2/16 at 8:23 am to bapple

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it's unconstitutional for an officer to pull someone over, have that person refuse a vehicle search, and then be forced to stay and wait for a canine unit. As far as the literature I've read, they have no right to force you to wait without probable cause.

This was recently changed to be this way. Before if an officer had reasonable suspicion he could call a K-9 as long as it stayed within the scope of what was considered a reasonable amount of time for it to arrive. I haven't seen the recent rulings since I don't deal with traffic but my understanding is probable cause to call a dog and extend a stop would have to be almost the same probable cause that would warrant a search such as plain view, smell, excited utterances, etc

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Posted by dawg23