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Hypo: How would committee handle the SEC situation w/ Ole Miss
Posted on 11/29/15 at 9:50 am
Posted on 11/29/15 at 9:50 am
Hypothetical: Ole Miss doesn't blow the game against Arkansas (4th and 25 hail lateral), Ole Miss would be going to Atlanta to play Florida for rematch at 10-2 (losses to Florida and Memphis)
Would Ole Miss be in the playoff picture at all? An 11-2 conference champion completely left out over a non-SEC champ they beat in the regular season?
ETA: I think it could've started a huge national conversation about the elimination of conference championship games because a lot of people would be asking "what's the point?"
If you have a committee determining the best teams, what's the point of having these end of the season games to crown conference champions that are only based on standings and not full body of work?
ETA 2: Let's add to the absurdity of "conference championships" in the Playoff Committee era.
You could argue the other side and say Bama is actually getting penalized thanks to the "hail lateral" play because if Ole Miss wins that game, Bama is already a playoff lock. Now they have to go to Atlanta and beat Florida, and if they don't they are out of the playoffs completely
ETA 3: ESPN article about this scenario posted today LINK
Would Ole Miss be in the playoff picture at all? An 11-2 conference champion completely left out over a non-SEC champ they beat in the regular season?
ETA: I think it could've started a huge national conversation about the elimination of conference championship games because a lot of people would be asking "what's the point?"
If you have a committee determining the best teams, what's the point of having these end of the season games to crown conference champions that are only based on standings and not full body of work?
ETA 2: Let's add to the absurdity of "conference championships" in the Playoff Committee era.
You could argue the other side and say Bama is actually getting penalized thanks to the "hail lateral" play because if Ole Miss wins that game, Bama is already a playoff lock. Now they have to go to Atlanta and beat Florida, and if they don't they are out of the playoffs completely
ETA 3: ESPN article about this scenario posted today LINK
This post was edited on 12/2/15 at 11:15 am
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Posted on 11/29/15 at 9:53 am to Eighteen
Why would 10-2 Ole Miss be in the SEC title game over 11-1 Bama?
Posted on 11/29/15 at 9:53 am to Eighteen
yes
Posted on 11/29/15 at 9:55 am to Eighteen
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4th and 25
That website though.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 9:58 am to Eighteen
Good question. Really hard to say. I would see the arguments on both sides. One of those scenarios is worse case for playoff committee. Same as some scenarios that were possible with the BCS from time to time.
Eventually one will happen like that. But there is always a worse case scenario for something that is opinion driven and not truly record driven like the major league sports are.
Eventually one will happen like that. But there is always a worse case scenario for something that is opinion driven and not truly record driven like the major league sports are.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:10 am to Eighteen
SEC Champs. Do not make Playoff. Get blown out in Big6 Bowl.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:15 am to Eighteen
You mean Alabama would get in ahead of the SEC champ that beat them in the regular season?
Never happen.
Oh, wait........
Never happen.
Oh, wait........
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:19 am to Eighteen
Have you not paid attention to the media. Alabama is still undefeated because when you beat yourself it technically isn't considered a loss.
Joey Galloway is about the only person I have seen in the media give Ole Miss credit for beating Alabama.
Joey Galloway is about the only person I have seen in the media give Ole Miss credit for beating Alabama.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:24 am to Eighteen
How would the committee handle it? They'd send Alabama and wouldn't think twice about it
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:32 am to Eighteen
Not only would I place a one-loss Bama over Ole Miss, I would put a one-loss Ohio State and Clemson team over them as well. Just because a team won their conference shouldn't grant them an automatic berth in the playoffs. Same thing applies with Stanford. I'm sorry but they don't deserve a shot over a one-loss Ohio State or Clemson. Stanford will have two losses against teams that are ranked lower than Michigan State or North Carolina. Why do they deserve to be in the playoffs over those two teams?
Posted on 11/29/15 at 12:09 pm to Eighteen
The committee (and the general public) will latch onto whatever argument they prefer in a given year. Typically the argument appears to be a rationalization to defend their favorite big name team - and will often outright contradict the sentiment of criteria from previous years.
If a bad loss would disqualify a team they don't prefer (Ok State 11) that will be the criteria, if it would rule out the team they prefer (USC 03) then that will be considered a fluke that shouldn't reasonably be considered.
If a conference championship criteria would rule out a team they don't want in the championship game (OU 03) then that will be touted as an objectively good criteria, if it would rule out a team judged better by the eye test (Bama 11 or 15 in the hypothetical) then it would be thrown out as irrelevant.
If a bad loss would disqualify a team they don't prefer (Ok State 11) that will be the criteria, if it would rule out the team they prefer (USC 03) then that will be considered a fluke that shouldn't reasonably be considered.
If a conference championship criteria would rule out a team they don't want in the championship game (OU 03) then that will be touted as an objectively good criteria, if it would rule out a team judged better by the eye test (Bama 11 or 15 in the hypothetical) then it would be thrown out as irrelevant.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 2:47 pm to Eighteen
FWIW, I'd be ok with Bama at 11-1 being ranked above a 10-2 SEC Champ Ole Miss.
I have no clue how the committee would handle that one though.
I have no clue how the committee would handle that one though.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 5:34 pm to Eighteen
The sheer possibility of this scenario should cause the SEC to change their tiebreaker procedure for next season. Tiebreaker should be least number of losses (to account for cancelled games like LSU's nonsense).
Making sure the conference is represented by a team with the best CFP chances is that important.
Just put in some language to keep teams from cancelling late season games.
Making sure the conference is represented by a team with the best CFP chances is that important.
Just put in some language to keep teams from cancelling late season games.
Posted on 12/2/15 at 11:24 am to Eighteen
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Hypothetical: Ole Miss doesn't blow the game
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