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re: If ISIS Were To Attack America
Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:41 pm to Pettifogger
Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:41 pm to Pettifogger
I'm not saying Billy and buddies ride down the street shooting shotguns would have prevented an attack. The southeast has a larger number of people who own/use guns. To say that the possibility of concealed carries couldn't hinder an attack is ignorant.
ETA: to be fair I think those of you making the Die Hard references don't fully understand what I'm asking. I'm not saying a one man army wipes out the terrorist. But the ability to at least return fire could be beneficial. In my opinion anyways.
ETA: to be fair I think those of you making the Die Hard references don't fully understand what I'm asking. I'm not saying a one man army wipes out the terrorist. But the ability to at least return fire could be beneficial. In my opinion anyways.
This post was edited on 11/15/15 at 5:47 pm
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:43 pm to GAFF
Obviously if ISIS busted up in one of our nightclubs everyone with a CC would whip out their pieces immediately and make perfect precision shots at the heads of every terrorist before they could kill anyone. Then they'd be awarded medals of honor, and obama would resign as a sign of respect to the heroes
Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:44 pm to TheIrishFro
Exactly. The stadium attack was suicide bombers being turned away by security. That could happen at any sporting event in America. The concert attack is frightening because they fired on to the crowd from the 2nd floor. Judging by the video It would be difficult to know where the gunfire was coming from.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:44 pm to Skeeter170
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Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:46 pm to GAFF
Depends on when and where.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:46 pm to GAFF
quote:
I'm not saying Billy and buddies ride down the street shooting shotguns would have prevented an attack. The southeast has a larger number of people who own/use guns. To say that the possibility of concealed carries couldn't hinder an attack is ignorant.
These people are on a murder-suicide mission. If they've got suicide vests and guns, do you think knowledge of the fact that multiple people have guns on Times Square on New Years Eve is going to stop them? No, it won't! The only thing they care about is scaring the shite out of people. Suicide bombing a Love Truck Stop isn't going to get them the profile they want. Armed citizens are at the bottom of their priorities. And how are there going to be no innocents that kill other innocents? It would happen, and if a few dozen people are packing, it will spiral out of control with no one being sure who is behind it.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:49 pm to Sampson
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Sampson
You are one ignorant frick. Please relocate your arse to Syria.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:49 pm to OMLandshark
Again, I'm not saying it would prevent the attack. I'm asking to what extent, if any, CC's could hinder an attack.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:49 pm to TheIrishFro
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With hundreds of people running around in a choatic enviroment it's unlikely a gunman will hit only the terrorist.
That's another thing to weigh. Maybe some innocent people get hit in crossfire, but wouldn't that still be a better outcome than no one stopping the gunman from taking out everyone?
I'm not saying a single armed man could stop 4 rifle wielding terrorists alone, but you would really just rather everyone be a sitting duck with no way to retaliate instead?
This post was edited on 11/15/15 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:49 pm to OMLandshark
Does anyone know if the shooting at the two restaurants was done in a vehicle or on foot?
Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:52 pm to GAFF
quote:It wouldn't have stopped the stadium bombing or the restaurant shooting. The concert hall is the only location in question. Go watch the footage of the concert. The shooters had three major advantages in that hall. It was dark, extremely loud and they were on the 2nd floor firing on to the crowd.
Again, I'm not saying it would prevent the attack. I'm asking to what extent, if any, CC's could hinder an attack.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:52 pm to Breadstick Gun
I forgive you for calling me that. I love you.
-Sampson
-Sampson
Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:53 pm to GAFF
They should attack Mizzou. That way they can both get the news coverage they deserve.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:53 pm to GAFF
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ETA: to be fair I think those of you making the Die Hard references don't fully understand what I'm asking. I'm not saying a one man army wipes out the terrorist. But the ability to at least return fire could be beneficial. In my opinion anyways
No, we understand the dire situation unlike yourself. A few people returning fire will not only just about guaranteed to kill innocents, but these people are likely to be shot and killed as well by a person who doesn't know who the initial perpetrator was. You just don't understand how many factors go into this situation. Someone has to be highly trained by the CIA or MI6 in order to effectively deal with a situation of this caliber. Tobie the Trucker who packs heat at all time is not one of these people.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:57 pm to CP3
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This post was edited on 5/4/23 at 9:09 am
Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:57 pm to CP3
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That's another thing to weigh. Maybe some innocent people get hit in crossfire, but wouldn't that still be a better outcome than no one stopping the gunman from taking out everyone?
But how are they supposed to know. Granted, I think this situation would be a bit easier than the normal situation to point out the perpetrators, but an Aurora situation, any guy who is getting up with a concealed gun is making himself an active target for any other carrier. It would devolve into chaos and more people will be killed as a result. Ask anyone in Central Intelligence and they will agree with this.
And there were hundreds of people fleeing. How is it possible that you can anticipate the actions of hundreds of people?
This post was edited on 11/15/15 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:58 pm to GAFF
1 If they roll up on a cafe without warning and rock and roll on full auto, you'll be dead before you even think about reaching for your CCW pistol.
2 Or they'll just walk into a crowd and detonate a suicide bomb. Everybody there could be carrying and it won't make a damn bit of difference.
I'm not an antigunner, but I am a realist. If it makes you feel better, pack heat. Just recognize that in all likelihood it won't make a hill of beans as to the outcome.
2 Or they'll just walk into a crowd and detonate a suicide bomb. Everybody there could be carrying and it won't make a damn bit of difference.
I'm not an antigunner, but I am a realist. If it makes you feel better, pack heat. Just recognize that in all likelihood it won't make a hill of beans as to the outcome.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 6:01 pm to PsychTiger
ISIS has nothing on Chiraq 
Posted on 11/15/15 at 6:04 pm to Jim Rockford
Like I said, you won't see me arguing that CC will stop a terrorist attack. I'm just not agreeing that covering my head and hoping for the best is the best solution either.
If someone shoots me trying to shoot an attacker, that's better than me being shot while hiding in a corner. Sure, not every instance would be clear on who the attacker is, but if 4 masked Islamist walk in a mall and start shooting it's probably pretty clear who the bad guys are.
In this situation everyone's getting shot at anyway, at least the chances of the attacker being hit are greater even if it is by a very small amount
If someone shoots me trying to shoot an attacker, that's better than me being shot while hiding in a corner. Sure, not every instance would be clear on who the attacker is, but if 4 masked Islamist walk in a mall and start shooting it's probably pretty clear who the bad guys are.
In this situation everyone's getting shot at anyway, at least the chances of the attacker being hit are greater even if it is by a very small amount
This post was edited on 11/15/15 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 11/15/15 at 6:04 pm to Jim Rockford
TheIrishFro and I seem to have the same mindset. I would prefer to at least have a CC. If not to return fire initially then to at least serve as some form of defense if/when I get to cover.
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