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re: WB has begun a marketing campaign for BvS...Up first Lex Luthor
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:38 am to OMLandshark
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:38 am to OMLandshark
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You're missing the point. Marvel gave us time to bond and know these characters before we put them all in a movie together.
And you're under the mistaken impression that there isn't more than one way to introduce characters. Perhaps you should do what I'm doing and take a wait-and-see approach instead of proclaiming that the sky is falling?
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:57 am to RollTide1987
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And you're under the mistaken impression that there isn't more than one way to introduce characters. Perhaps you should do what I'm doing and take a wait-and-see approach instead of proclaiming that the sky is falling?
This. Marvel had untested characters and had to feel the waters with Iron Man before they could even begin to plan on an Avengers film. DC has characters that have been successful on film and television for half a century. They don't have to explain Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman to the general public. They grew up with live action versions of those characters.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:51 am to Breesus
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A young, millennial, skinny, non-threatening, punk, vegan Facebook ceo Lex Luther? frick that.
Actually I kind of like it that he's a brilliant and suave, I mean a genius pushed by the threat of genocidal aliens to defend humanity is great, Luther like Doom works best when he sees himself as the hero of the story.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 3:57 am to OMLandshark
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Exactly. The old Luthor would be flattered to be called such, not say he has a god damn foosball table that costs $700, which isn't even a drop in the bucket for him.
It's a new spin on the character that kind of works - the real power brokers today aren't old school guys like Trump it's guys like Zuckerberg who could buy them without really breaking a sweat.
Old school swagger types, are rich and powerful but frankly outclassed in terms of real money and influence.
Plus, this is kind of a reaction to the massively over the top 70s, 80s and early 00s Luthor - this is a guy whose basically Tony Stark but without allies (in the movie universe).
Posted on 10/6/15 at 4:08 am to OMLandshark
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All it seems to me as if they're making Mark Zuckerberg the villain, not Lex Luthor. They made Luthor into a fricking vegan. Wow, terrifying. A vegan in front of his veganmobile.
Seriously, what's scarier a brilliant sociopath who has everyone fooled into thinking he's benevolent (remember Luther was elected President, he's not in it for the money he doesn't really care about money he's rich, he cares about power and achieving his destiny).
Posted on 10/6/15 at 8:53 am to RLDSC FAN
This is so stupid.
I like the hamfisted bit of foreshadowing about his father's untimely death and Lex jr.s' "mysterious" reappearance into the father's life.
I like the hamfisted bit of foreshadowing about his father's untimely death and Lex jr.s' "mysterious" reappearance into the father's life.
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 9:03 am
Posted on 10/6/15 at 9:23 am to RLDSC FAN
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marketing campaign for BvS
Posted on 10/6/15 at 9:53 am to montanagator
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It's a new spin on the character that kind of works - the real power brokers today aren't old school guys like Trump it's guys like Zuckerberg who could buy them without really breaking a sweat.
My Luthor was the scientific genius who was so obsessed with killing Superman that he rarely bothered to get out of his prison greys. He was a sign of his times (the mad scientists of the 40's and 50's pulps and cinema). That worked great for 45 years.
Wolfman and Byrne rebooted Luthor as the Gordon Gekko / Donald Trump evil businessman in the late 80's. That was appropriate then, but isn't as timely now. That carried through the animated series until today.
It's not crazy for them to update Luthor to include the information tech business as a part of his science/business arsenal. And if you're going to update him, it makes sense to lose the three piece suit that was so appropriate in the late 80's.
As long as Luthor is super-smart, super-devious, and hates Superman... he's Luthor.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 9:59 am to Fewer Kilometers
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. And if you're going to update him, it makes sense to lose the three piece suit that was so appropriate in the late 80's.
Both of those iterations represented the height of fear and power.
Who fears or respects vegan millennial hipster social media CEOs?
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:09 am to Breesus
quote:I just looked quickly, but I don't see where it refers to Lex as a vegan himself.
vegan millennial hipster social media CEOs?
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 10:10 am
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:14 am to Breesus
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Who fears or respects vegan millennial hipster social media CEOs?
You don't think that Bill Gates has more power than a Donald Trump or a Warren Buffet? You don't think that a Zuckerberg who holds the personal information of a billion people doesn't have power?
The access and power that these social media CEO's have is something that the 80's Lex Luthor would dream of. "My plan is to have every citizen putting their trust into a computer network. After I have all of their personal and financial information, I'll have access to their wealth and secrets."
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:15 am to buckeye_vol
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I just looked quickly, but I don't see where it refers to Lex as a vegan himself.
You have to read between the lines. It'll help any argument.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:26 am to Fewer Kilometers
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Bill Gates
I don't fear Bill Gates. When I think dangerous power, I don't think Bill Gates.
And I certainly don't fear Zuckerberg.
They have money and they have information, but they aren't scary. They aren't powerful. Power and influence are the way you use information and money. Not the amount that you have. If that makes sense. Physical Presence helps a lot as well.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:34 am to Breesus
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I don't fear Bill Gates. When I think dangerous power, I don't think Bill Gates.
And I certainly don't fear Zuckerberg.
That's good, because Lex is elected as president, he's super likable and people love him.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:36 am to BaddestAndvari
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That's good, because Lex is elected as president, he's super likable and people love him.
Obama scares the shite out of me. And we generally don't elect whiney little dweebs as president.
You have to be respected. Who respects a vegan millennial?
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 10:39 am
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:41 am to Breesus
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Obama scares the shite out of me
That's only because you are scared of his policies. Deep down Obama is a lot like this version Lex, everyone always says he would be a cool guy to drink a beer with, he acts like he is super anti-war (won a flippin Nobel Peace prize after all!!) , he's thought of as extremely smart, and was elected because he is "super relatable" - and people seem to really really get up in arms about Michelle.... who is all about the eating healthy thing.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:58 am to Breesus
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You have to be respected. Who respects a vegan millennial?
You're really hung up on this vegan thing. And totally overlooking the war mongering weapons manufacturer thing.
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Partly, the success of this young company comes from Luthor’s willingness to go where Wayne fears to tread. Wayne Enterprises has shied away from military contracts in the last decade.
“It’s a necessity,” Luthor insists. “We live in the most dangerous point of time in all of human history. Statistically speaking, it’s a near certainty that another world-changing crisis is hurtling toward us like a speeding bullet. We have to be ready to defend ourselves. No civilization was ever conquered by having a strong military.”
As for the accusations of a few fringe outliers who accuse him of being a “war monger,” Luthor just laughs them off. “I don’t know very many ‘war mongers’ who have a foosball table in the conference room.”
Would you feel differently about Gates and Zuckerburg if they had warehouses filled with tanks and bombers?
Posted on 10/6/15 at 11:03 am to Breesus
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Who fears or respects vegan millennial hipster social media CEOs?
Notice how the story talks about how Lex pretty much came out of nowhere to take over the company when his father suddenly died in 2000? And notice how he doesn't talk lovingly about his father? There's a story there and I hope it will go something like this...
Lex's public face is that of the quoted text. He's the ultimate tech owner millennial: enough of a hipster to not wear a suit but savvy enough to create and run a mega-corp, tofu-lving, charitable and far too overly-sensitive to social justice issues.
But behind the scenes (only to those closest to him) he's a major dick and completely the opposite of his public portrayal. His father raised him to be cut-throat and harsh, but he adopted a more palatable veneer to put people at ease before he devours them. He's an alpha, he just cloaks himself in beta skins.
A company as big as Lexcorp could damned near own a city, even one the size of Metropolis (roughly Chicago). This would feed into Lex's desire to be the alpha.
Superman by nature is an alpha, but doesn't try to be. Lex is an alpha by desire and thus always desires to be even MORE alpha. Superman's IDGAF attitude about alpha status would infuriate someone like Lex if Lex were trying to subtly prove himself better than Superman and Supes just brushed it off.
This sets up the mechanics for the personal reasons for the conflict (because for Lex it's always been personal). Lex, not being used to being brushed off like that snaps like a fricking rubber band. He manufactures (or exaggerates) some event to galvanize within himself some justification for going after Superman and uses his charisma and media reach to start (silently fueling) public sentiment along those lines.
Granted, this is a broad synopsis and someone much better than I would need to flesh out the details, but it at least makes sense of the snippets about Lex we've been given.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:40 pm to Bard
I think you give a great take on what could make for a good represention of Lex Luthor.
I feel they are trying to set him up to be two-faced in the sense that how he portrays himself to the world and how he actually is will be very different. I fully expect Luther to brutally kill someone early on to set the tone of the character.
However, none of that makes me confident in the character. WB has rarely given me reason to have faith in them with respects to their treatment of DC comics on the big screen. WB just wants to use the IP they have with DC to make summer blockbusters. They don't show any respect for any character not Batman or Superman (and how much respect Superman gets is debatable).
Facts are, they have screwed up Lex every time they have tried to bring him to the big screen. Why is this time different?
I feel they are trying to set him up to be two-faced in the sense that how he portrays himself to the world and how he actually is will be very different. I fully expect Luther to brutally kill someone early on to set the tone of the character.
However, none of that makes me confident in the character. WB has rarely given me reason to have faith in them with respects to their treatment of DC comics on the big screen. WB just wants to use the IP they have with DC to make summer blockbusters. They don't show any respect for any character not Batman or Superman (and how much respect Superman gets is debatable).
Facts are, they have screwed up Lex every time they have tried to bring him to the big screen. Why is this time different?
Posted on 10/6/15 at 12:46 pm to ThoseGuys
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Why is this time different?
Because MCU. Marvel\Disney has shown how taking proven content and characters while only slightly modifying things for time and format is a working formula (ie: makes a metric frickton of money). They have the IP, all they need is writers and directors with the vision.
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