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re: Waco Biker Update: Autopsy Reports Released... Finally

Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:10 am to
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:10 am to
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nope, just pointing out some facts that all the news stories are reporting which Darth and the Aging Rebel are leaving out.


I thought you said this on page two....

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Followed by this....
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No. One. Cares.


Sounds to me either you do care or your just full of shite and trying to be a smartass troll.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:12 am to
I decided to look up a credible news source on the facts of the incident, not trust what some old washed up motorcycle gangster with a blog has to say
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:15 am to
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I decided to look up a credible news source on the facts of the incident, not trust what some old washed up motorcycle gangster with a blog has to say


Why did they leave out the important details like where the victims were shot? Which to you sounds more important to a shooting investigation, the fact a guy smoked a doobie before hand or things like from which direction he was shot and from what range?
Posted by tgrbaitn08
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:16 am to
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Why did they leave out the important details like where the victims were shot?


they didnt you idiot...

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—Daniel Boyett, 44, was shot twice in the head and once in the abdomen, and had trace amounts of methamphetamine in his system.

—Wayne Lee Campbell, 43, died from a gunshot wound to the head.

—Richard Matthew Jordan, 31, suffered one gunshot wound to the head, and tested positive for marijuana on a blood test.

—Richard Vincent Kirschner Jr., 47, was shot three times, and toxicology tests found traces of cocaine and alcohol.

—Jacob Rhyne, 39, died of gunshot wounds to the neck and abdomen.

—Jesus Rodriguez, 65, died from gunshot wounds to the head and trunk.

—Manuel Rodriguez, 40, died of gunshot wounds to the head and back.

—Charles Wayne Russell, 46, was shot once in the chest, and tested positive for marijuana.

—Matthew Smith, 27, was shot in the back and in the abdomen.

Posted by tgrbaitn08
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:19 am to
is this better?

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Daniel Raymond Boyett
> Read Boyett's autopsy report (PDF)
Boyett, 44, of Waco, was shot twice in the head and once in the abdomen. Both bullets to his head — one from the top and one from behind — penetrated his scalp and skull. The report says a medical examiner recovered a copper jacket base from one of those bullets. The second bullet to the head was not described. The gunshot wound to Boyett’s abdomen grazed him, leaving copper and lead fragments.
Boyett was wearing a black vest and black boots and had a tattoo that read, “I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me,” on his right arm.
He had trace amounts of methamphetamine in his system, the report shows.
His Facebook page, deleted May 19, showed numerous photos of him in Cossacks gear and identified him as a regional road captain for the motorcycle club.
Wayne Lee Campbell
> Read Campbell's autopsy report (PDF)
Campbell, 43, of Fort Worth, was shot once in the head, with the bullet entering through his chin, exiting and then re-entering through his neck. A medical examiner found five metal, large-caliber, intact bullets in Campbell’s vest pockets, the report says.
Campbell was wearing a black leather vest, black T-shirt, bluejeans, brown boots and metal rings. He had multiple tattoos, including a skull on a woman’s body and “Break this one” with a heart made of bricks on his chest.
The report showed evidence that Campbell had trace amounts of alcohol in his system.
Richard Matthew Jordan II
> Read Jordan's autopsy report (PDF)
Jordan, 31, of Pasadena, suffered one gunshot wound to the head. The bullet traveled from back to front, slightly left to right and slightly downward. A severely deformed, medium- to large-caliber, partially jacketed projectile fragment was recovered from the right side of his head and a second, severely deformed, medium- to large-caliber, partially jacketed fragment was recovered from the right side of his neck.
The report shows Jordan also had abrasions on his face and scalp. Jordan tested positive for marijuana on a blood test. The report lists what Jordan was wearing and says five unfired bullets were recovered from the left front pocket of his vest.
He had numerous tattoos, including the word “Lucifer” on his left forearm, and the word “Satan” and an inverted cross on his lower right leg.
Richard Vincent Kirschner Jr.
> Read Kirschner's autopsy report (PDF)
Kirschner, 47, of Wylie, suffered a gunshot wound to his right thigh, one to the left knee and one in the left buttock. He also suffered a superficial cut to the right side of his neck, a scalp laceration and abrasions to his face, trunk and extremities.
Fragments of a small-caliber bullet were recovered from his left hip. The bullet traveled from back to front and downward. The bullet that struck his right thigh traveled downward, slightly left to right and slightly back to front. Fragments of a jacketed bullet were recovered from his thigh.
Toxicology tests found traces of cocaine and alcohol.
Jacob Lee Rhyne
> Read Rhyne's autopsy report (PDF)
Rhyne, 39, of Ranger, suffered a gunshot wound to the left side of the neck that partially exited through his upper back and a gunshot wound to the lower abdomen, in addition to abrasions on his right hand.
The report concludes that Rhyne died as a result of the gunshot wound to the neck. That bullet traveled from front to back, left to right and downward, the report shows. Projectile fragments from both gunshot wounds, including copper-colored jacket fragments and white metal fragments, were submitted to the Criminal Investigation Laboratory, the report says.
Jesus Delgado Rodriguez
> Read Rodriguez's autopsy report (PDF)
Rodriguez, 65, of New Braunfels, was shot in the head and in the back. The projectile that was recovered on the left side of his head was not described in the report. The bullet went from front to back and slightly downward.
He also was shot in the right, mid-back. The projectile perforated a rib, his right and left lungs and his heart and exited through his left chest wall. That bullet traveled from right to left, back to front and upward.
Rodriguez tested negative for alcohol or illegal drugs.
Included in a description of what he was wearing was a white metal U.S. Marine Corps tag.
Manuel Issac Rodriguez
> Read Rodriguez's autopsy report (PDF)
Rodriguez, 40, of Allen, suffered one gunshot wound to the head and one in the back. The path of the bullet that struck his head was from front to back, right to left and downward. A severely deformed, apparently medium-caliber, jacketed bullet was recovered from the left side of the neck.
The bullet that struck the right side of his back went from right to left, downward and slightly back to front. A moderately deformed, apparently medium-caliber, jacketed bullet was recovered from the left side of his back.
There was no firearm residue on Rodriguez’s skin, meaning he was not shot at an extremely close range. He also tested negative for alcohol or drugs.
Charles Wayne Russell
> Read Russell's autopsy report (PDF)
Russell, 46, of Tyler, was shot once in the chest. A medium-caliber bullet was recovered from clothing adjacent to an exit wound on the right side of his back. On the base of the bullet is inscribed “15-08020” over “JU”, the report states. The bullet traveled front to back and downward and perforated his sternum, heart, right lung, vertebra and rib.
Russell also suffered lacerations, abrasions and contusions of the scalp, an abrasion on his chin and abrasions to his extremities.
The pathologist found a raffle ticket and a baggie full of a “green, leafy material” in his pants pocket.
Toxicology tests showed Russell tested positive for marijuana and negative for alcohol.
Matthew Mark Smith
> Read Smith's autopsy report (PDF)
Smith, 27, of Keller, had two gunshot wounds — one to his upper back and one to his abdomen. The bullet in his back was described as a “medium-caliber jacketed projectile.” The bullet through his abdomen hit his right kidney and aorta before exiting.
Smith had tattoos of birds on his chest and one of the word “Devotion” on his left wrist, the document says. He was wearing gray jeans, a black vest and a blue cap at the time of the shooting. Smith’s blood tested positive for marijuana.
Vehicle forfeiture documents state that when officers approached the restaurant during the shootout, a Waco police officer saw Jeff Battey and Ray Allen standing behind Twin Peaks “in a triangulated position” to Smith, who was lying on the ground about five yards away and was “gasping for air.” Both Battey and Allen were wearing Bandidos vests.
An officer noticed that Allen had a silver handgun in his hand and said it looked like Battey had been shot in his upper right shoulder, according to the documents.
Battey was arrested upon his release from the hospital the next day. He was the first of the 177 arrested bikers to be released after he posted the full $1 million bond.
Smith’s autopsy report does not specify which of the two gunshot wounds killed him.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:20 am to
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they didnt you idiot...


Excuse me, I stand corrected. Unlike your worthless, idiotic arse I can admit when I'm wrong. I still go back, what difference does it make to the shooting that some of them had drugs in their system? Is that grounds for killing someone?
Posted by tgrbaitn08
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:22 am to
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Is that grounds for killing someone?


absolutely not, just using the facts to establish that these were not just good ole baws, your honor.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:23 am to
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is this better?


Read your own post. Look at how many of them were shot from behind. I know your just a stupid troll but surely even your idiot arse can see that it's looking more and more like most of these guys were killed by someone behind and above them, not someone they were fighting right in front of them. Who was behind and above these guys? The fricking cops.
Posted by Rebelgator
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:24 am to
That guy tweaking on meth was just about to start ITT Tech wasn't he?
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:26 am to
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absolutely not, just using the facts to establish that these were not just good ole baws, your honor.



I've never said they were all "good ole baws". I know there was some sort of fight and I know some of them pulled guns and started shooting. I've said from the start those who were guilty of these things should face the legal consequences of their actions.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:27 am to
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t it's looking more and more like most of these guys were killed by someone behind and above them, not someone they were fighting right in front of them. Who was behind and above these guys? The fricking cops.



Do you know for a fact that the cops werent fired on first?

Shoot at the cops and they're going to shoot back.
Posted by Agforlife
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:30 am to
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PSROL




Proud Southern Reaper Old Lady



Same as PBOL=Proud Bandido Old Lady
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:32 am to
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Do you know for a fact that the cops werent fired on first?

Shoot at the cops and they're going to shoot back.


Yeah, that makes perfect sense. A fight broke out and in the middle of it they all stopped what they were doing and started shooting at cops who had them surrounded and heavily outgunned. Seems very logical.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:33 am to
about as logical as the cops using a bunch of bikers as target practice for no reason at all.


Did you ever think that maybe the cops heard gunshots, may a few were fired in their direction, and just maybe they are trained to fire back when they feel their lives are in danger?
This post was edited on 8/14/15 at 10:35 am
Posted by yurintroubl
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Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:33 am to
See... If I was a cop... and saw somebody firing a weapon at another person or persons (like another biker, for example)... I would think it wouldn't matter where I was positioned (in front of or behind) - I would take the shot to prevent further loss of life even if that life wasn't mine. This is what police snipers are for. I don't see why that isn't what happened based on everything I've seen or read.

How many of the deceased had gunshot residue on their hands?
Posted by Agforlife
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:37 am to
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not trust what some old washed up motorcycle gangster with a blog has to say






Donald Charles Davis aka Rebel is not now nor has he ever been in a MC and is an author not a gangster.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:37 am to
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about as logical as the cops using a bunch of bikers as target practice for no reason at all.


Did you ever think that maybe the cops heard gunshots, may a few were fired in their direction, and just maybe they are trained to fire back when they feel their lives are in danger?


And so just open up into a crowd shooting everyone they see? Gotcha.
Posted by Rebelgator
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:39 am to
#Yolo
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:39 am to
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See... If I was a cop... and saw somebody firing a weapon at another person or persons (like another biker, for example)... I would think it wouldn't matter where I was positioned (in front of or behind) - I would take the shot to prevent further loss of life even if that life wasn't mine. This is what police snipers are for. I don't see why that isn't what happened based on everything I've seen or read.

How many of the deceased had gunshot residue on their hands?



This is something I'd love to know and to be honest, I wonder why is was not in the autopsy reports. There are two things they could have included in the reports that would give a clear picture of who killed who; the caliber of the rounds they recovered from the bodies, and who had GSR on their hands and who didn't. Why would they leave those details out if there is nothing to hide?
This post was edited on 8/14/15 at 10:41 am
Posted by tgrbaitn08
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Posted on 8/14/15 at 10:40 am to
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And so just open up into a crowd shooting everyone they see? Gotcha.




Collateral damage
Collateral damage is damage to things that are incidental to the intended target. It is frequently used as a military term where non-combatants are accidentally or unintentionally killed or wounded
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