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So our past few offseasons have just been absolutely terrible
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:32 am
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:32 am
it's hard to wrap my mind around how many errors, misteps, and general frickups our management has engaged in the past few years
our drafting was mediocre at best, and saved from bad/terrible due to drafting a few late gems. all 3 of those gems are off the team
2 of those gems got big deals before getting dealt, both completely crippling our cap this year
we have had to dump other productive players and eat dead money (a lot less than jimmy/junior) due to bad cap management. sproles, grubbs, etc fall into this category.
we gave a huge deal to a safety who sucked and got hurt, and this, along with the other dead money, prevent us from addressing all the holes we face due to "cap cuts" and bad drafting.
our receiving core is a combination of young, a mess, and completely unproven, with one ancient/expensive guy left
if we didn't completely nail our defensive drafting, and if they're not ready to contribute from day one, we may have a shite show on that side of the ball next year. our LBs are legitimately a major question mark and we have no proven pass rusher who isn't a major medical risk on our team. without a legit edge rusher, a 3-4 is a terrible defense.
how hot is our management after this year if everything doesn't fall into place and we waste another of the very few years of brees that we have left? i mean i could see brees playing good-great for another 2-ish years, but at any moment he could fall off. we've completely wasted 2 of his remaining years and losing another this year would be absolutely terrible.
our drafting was mediocre at best, and saved from bad/terrible due to drafting a few late gems. all 3 of those gems are off the team
2 of those gems got big deals before getting dealt, both completely crippling our cap this year
we have had to dump other productive players and eat dead money (a lot less than jimmy/junior) due to bad cap management. sproles, grubbs, etc fall into this category.
we gave a huge deal to a safety who sucked and got hurt, and this, along with the other dead money, prevent us from addressing all the holes we face due to "cap cuts" and bad drafting.
our receiving core is a combination of young, a mess, and completely unproven, with one ancient/expensive guy left
if we didn't completely nail our defensive drafting, and if they're not ready to contribute from day one, we may have a shite show on that side of the ball next year. our LBs are legitimately a major question mark and we have no proven pass rusher who isn't a major medical risk on our team. without a legit edge rusher, a 3-4 is a terrible defense.
how hot is our management after this year if everything doesn't fall into place and we waste another of the very few years of brees that we have left? i mean i could see brees playing good-great for another 2-ish years, but at any moment he could fall off. we've completely wasted 2 of his remaining years and losing another this year would be absolutely terrible.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:35 am to SlowFlowPro
I really really want to disagree with you, but for the most part I can't
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's hard to wrap my mind around how many errors, misteps, and general frickups our management has engaged in the past few years
Pretty much since 2011, this team has been steadily fricking up in the offseason, a lot of being problems off the field with the coaching staff and players.
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our drafting was mediocre at best, and saved from bad/terrible due to drafting a few late gems. all 3 of those gems are off the team
Drafting has been puzzling to bad, with many people on this forum drafting better in mock drafts than paid professionals. Last year was so abysmal that thankfully some heads did rolls as a result of it, especially the scouting department.
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crippling our cap this year
Eh, our cap is crippled every year but Saints still make things happen. I can't say I disagreed with any of their offseason movies for this year, and there were some big arse moves to try to right this team.
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we have had to dump other productive players and eat dead money (a lot less than jimmy/junior) due to bad cap management. sproles, grubbs, etc fall into this category
Losing Sproles wasn't that big of a deal in the long run. He wasn't that great his last year with us, and then ended up getting hurt in Philly. Spiller is much better than Sproles and should be great in this offense. And Grubbs? He wasn't very good either his last year here. I expect our O-line to be much improved with Unger anchoring it down.
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we gave a huge deal to a safety who sucked and got hurt, and this, along with the other dead money, prevent us from addressing all the holes we face due to "cap cuts" and bad drafting.
The defense as a whole sucked last year, and Byrd was abysmal but I still have high hopes for him. He was a stud for many years in Buffalo and he didn't just stop becoming a stud. Also doesn't help the secondary when we generate absolutely zero pass rush and QB's have all time to sit back and pick us apart. We saw that on many last second drives where we lost.
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our receiving core is a combination of young, a mess, and completely unproven, with one ancient/expensive guy left
Pretty negative way of looking at it. I definitely agree it is unproven. Colston is Colston. Cooks should be a playmaker for us. Toon played well at the end of the season. A healthy Brees with a good o-line will make average receivers look like studs. He has done this his entire career.
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if we didn't completely nail our defensive drafting, and if they're not ready to contribute from day one, we may have a shite show on that side of the ball next year.
Agree here, but I do think we nailed it as we drafter high character players who were productive in college. Can only wait and see, and hope for the best.
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how hot is our management after this year if everything doesn't fall into place and we waste another of the very few years of brees that we have left?
My guess would be very hot if this team underperforms like it did last year. And not just on the field, but in the locker room as well. If this season is at all like last year, I see one more year for Payton and Loomis, and then blowing the entire thing up and praying there is a Luck-like QB waiting for us when we draft #1.
But then again, it's the NFL and this team could go on and win the Super Bowl this year. Anything can happen, and that's why you have to love the NFL
Posted on 7/28/15 at 10:56 am to SlowFlowPro
been saying this for a while. Read my thread from yesterday, and see how many people are still delusional.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 11:01 am to SlowFlowPro
Signing Graham and Galette only to trade/release them the next year were really the two huge frick ups. Just a lot of wasted dead money. The other bad mistake as a group has been bad drafting. The draft is kind of a crap shoot though, so that at least can be somewhat understandable.
Grubbs, Sproles, Lofton, whoever are aging vets who are better to get rid of now rather than later when they become truly bad. Sproles probably has more left in him than those other two. The deficiencies of the other two were really starting to already show. With a little luck Anthony has potential to already be an upgrade to Lofton in year 1.
Byrd seems like he was maybe used incorrectly early last year. Maybe part of that was Vacarro playing poorly. I don't know. Then the injury happened. That was just bad luck. We'll see this year if spending that much money on him ends up being a frick up in hindsight.
Grubbs, Sproles, Lofton, whoever are aging vets who are better to get rid of now rather than later when they become truly bad. Sproles probably has more left in him than those other two. The deficiencies of the other two were really starting to already show. With a little luck Anthony has potential to already be an upgrade to Lofton in year 1.
Byrd seems like he was maybe used incorrectly early last year. Maybe part of that was Vacarro playing poorly. I don't know. Then the injury happened. That was just bad luck. We'll see this year if spending that much money on him ends up being a frick up in hindsight.
This post was edited on 7/28/15 at 11:02 am
Posted on 7/28/15 at 11:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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how hot is our management after this year if everything doesn't fall into place and we waste another of the very few years of brees that we have left
Wasn't Ireland the hot seat move? Old Man Benson isn't looking to change horses this near the end, if anything it seems like Loomis/Lauscha are as up front and in control as ever. I suppose Payton could become the fall guy, but I'm not so sure we're to that point yet, even with everything you pointed out.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 11:05 am to SlowFlowPro
OP has some legitimate gripes for sure.
but do you even Spiller bro!!
but do you even Spiller bro!!
Posted on 7/28/15 at 11:11 am to SlowFlowPro
Say what you will but Goodell effectively and at a minimum shrunk our window to the SB.
Managements decisions would likely have been easier has Goody not done that.
Nonetheless. management has made some bad decisions but hindsight is 20/20
Managements decisions would likely have been easier has Goody not done that.
Nonetheless. management has made some bad decisions but hindsight is 20/20
Posted on 7/28/15 at 11:12 am to SlowFlowPro
Obviously the OP forgot about all those fun QB challenges from their resort stay last year. LINK
Posted on 7/28/15 at 11:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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our receiving core is a combination of young, a mess, and completely unproven, with one ancient/expensive guy left
And how different would this have been w/ Stills in the mix? He actually falls under the description "young, a mess, and unproven". I removed the completely part because he is a field stretcher, but was not the most consistent route runner underneath.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 11:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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and we have a guy who was seen as an offensive cornerstone and our offensive future traded to a conference rival as an afterthought and cheap acquisition for them. i mean we strengthened what used to be the team we knew we'd meet up with in the playoffs because of our ineptitude.
Unger is considered a top center and we weakened their team(using your slant) while upgrading the most important position besides QB and thats the O-line.
We drafted a stud OT. Dumped Grubbs. And may have battles for both guard positions in camp.
Agree the last couple of years have just plain stunk. But the people who are running the team now are the same one's from 06 09 and perhaps the best offensive team I've seen in 11.
What this team needs is as Chad said good chemistry and I will add we need a got damn win streak. Any win streak will help. Sick of win one lose one. Would really help to get this team and staff believing in themselves once again. Especially after the last few years and all the young and new members.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 2:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
I agree, our relative instability compared to the Packers, Seahawks, Patriots, Ravens, Colts, Broncos, is frustrating.
This post was edited on 7/28/15 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 7/28/15 at 2:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
I agree with you for the most part. I do disagree with you regarding trading Graham. I think that was a great move and we got max value for him. We were able to basically revamp our OL which is arguably the most important position group that will help Brees succeed. Put it this way, I would rather have Brees throwing with time to Watson and Hill than Brees scrambling for his life to make time to throw to Graham.
With that said, I can't find many other places to argue with you. Since Bounty Gate our management team has made some major gaffes. Giving a new contract to a frickup like Junior right before cutting him was the biggest of them IMO. He was already coming off a subpar year.
I strongly agree with you that our future is tied to success via the draft. A team simply cannot consistently whiff on the draft because the only other way to build is via FA and that is expensive.
To end on an optimistic note, I really like our draft last year more than any since Sean has been our coach.
With that said, I can't find many other places to argue with you. Since Bounty Gate our management team has made some major gaffes. Giving a new contract to a frickup like Junior right before cutting him was the biggest of them IMO. He was already coming off a subpar year.
I strongly agree with you that our future is tied to success via the draft. A team simply cannot consistently whiff on the draft because the only other way to build is via FA and that is expensive.
To end on an optimistic note, I really like our draft last year more than any since Sean has been our coach.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 3:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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around how many errors, misteps, and general frickups our management has engaged in the past few years
The front office has completely wasted Drew Breea' talent these past two seasons. And the 2014 draft may go down as one of the worst of any team ever.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 3:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
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we gave a huge deal to a safety who sucked and got hurt, and this, along with the other dead money, prevent us from addressing all the holes we face due to "cap cuts" and bad drafting.
i'd still like to know why in the hell he was playing 35-40 yards back from the line of scrimmage against ATL in Week 1.
one of the reasons he probably shined in Buffalo is that they have a stout d-line who can get pressure.
at least he made a play against ATL ripping the ball away from Julio. That play would have probably made it into the short highlight reel for the defense last year.
Vaccaro played poorly last year as well. Im sure they did a few things differently as far as the scheme compared to 2013. But then we still had Harper and Jenkins so I guess Vaccaro could play more in the box?
we haven't been all that great up front on defense the last few years on defense and that will end up catching up with you at some point. Seattle sent us home twice in the playoffs because we couldn't stop the run.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 8:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
Our best move has been to trade Jimmy for Unger and Anthony. I would have been all for trading Jordan for a proven starter and a 1st rounder prior to his signing a new contract.
Posted on 7/28/15 at 9:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
Have we had an offseason without huge drama under Payton? It doesn't seem like it.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:18 am to SlowFlowPro
This is most definitely a watershed year for the organization as a whole. If we regress this year, then you could be seeing a lot of changes coming.
Posted on 7/30/15 at 12:17 am to SlowFlowPro
For the most part, I was loving the way this offseason was turning out. Not a lot of hype or distractions coming out.
Until the shite show with Junior. Then it turned a very good offseason into a shitty one with once again, too many distractions.
Until the shite show with Junior. Then it turned a very good offseason into a shitty one with once again, too many distractions.
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