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re: Film Study: LSU QB Harris could lead most explosive offense in SEC
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:11 am to SECisKing
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:11 am to SECisKing
How can you put "touch" and Jennings in the same sentence, kidding, right. He will be better, cause he can't be much worse but he has a very limited skill set.
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Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:14 am to minvielle
Huh? I thought I made it apparently clear I liked Jennings. I had a whole section about me watching him here in high school?! I was completely honest about that so why is that even being pointed out? That's like in 8 Mile when Eminem rapped about himself before the other guy did. It would've been pointless for that guy to repeat everything Eminem already said.
And did I not just point out in an entire article how they switched up the offensive concepts to fit both QBs? lolol this is like the Twilight Zone or something. Cam called plays both on either player's strengths -- formations and all.
It wasn't a backhanded compliment, I merely wrote what I saw in both instances. Liking Jennings has nothing to do with me analyzing both player's performances.
They both balled out but in different ways...
And did I not just point out in an entire article how they switched up the offensive concepts to fit both QBs? lolol this is like the Twilight Zone or something. Cam called plays both on either player's strengths -- formations and all.
It wasn't a backhanded compliment, I merely wrote what I saw in both instances. Liking Jennings has nothing to do with me analyzing both player's performances.
They both balled out but in different ways...
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:16 am to SECisKing
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Jennings, while being a good deep-ball thrower, can work the mid-range, West Coast portion of the playbook and allow for yards after the catch
Faith is believing without seeing, so I guess you deserve some points there. But I might as well be from Missouri - SHOW ME.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:17 am to SECisKing
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Never understood the whole let's disgrace one guy in favor of another, especially when it's not as clear as you'd like to think.
I'm not trying to disgrace anyone. What about the screen pass in the first half of the spring game that Jennings, much like many screen passes in 2014, flat out missed? It didn't occur to you that that might be a problem worth addressing in your article? Or when Jennings threw the ball into double coverage in the endzone when he had plenty of time to make another read or throw it away? None of that worth writing home about?
The disconnect I have is that in the Jennings article you pointed out all the great things he did in the spring game without pointing out any flaws at all. And in the Harris article you pointed out good things, yes, but also the flaws. It's crazy to me how you ignored the former but where quick to jump on the other guy's mistakes.
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And did I not just point out in an entire article how they switched up the offensive concepts to fit both QBs? lolol this is like the Twilight Zone or something. Cam called plays both on either player's strengths -- formations and all.
But we're only going to have 1 QB! We're not going to have Jennings run ball control offense only to insert Harris to go for a big play. Les has already said he wants ONE GUY. So one of these guys is going to have to operate both facets of the offense. You think Jennings can run both better than Harris can run both? It's okay if you do, I just want to know.
This post was edited on 6/18/15 at 11:22 am
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:17 am to RockoRou
Huh? Do you know what touch is? It's the ability to vary your throwing velocity. Hell, you'd be better off saying "why does he virtually always throw with touch?" His motion is smooth and easy. He has put some zip on the mid-range throws -- most notably one I remember to Quinn in the Florida game.
But he naturally throws with touch. Andrew Luck is like that, too. It's a reason some questioned his arm strength -- but he just throws a very smooth, catchable ball.
But he naturally throws with touch. Andrew Luck is like that, too. It's a reason some questioned his arm strength -- but he just throws a very smooth, catchable ball.
This post was edited on 6/18/15 at 11:26 am
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:25 am to Nix to Twillie
He also hit a couple of perfect screen passes, one to D-Will went for a sizeable gain. So would you have liked me to focus on a screen pass miss when he hit on the same exact play in the same game?
And it was a focused article/section called "Quick-game/mechanical improvements." I was focused on his progression scans, footwork and understanding of when to bolt the pocket.
I wasn't focused on every little nuance to appease you not liking Jennings and loving Harris. And in the Harris article I focused on what makes him difference and how that can be a positive.
You're focusing on something a blowing it up way out of proportion. I even said judging him off the Auburn game is dumb as if we are all held to our initial offering in life.
We are talking about two QBs on a football team, right? And not two women from the club the other night. You're going much too hard for something that ain't that serious. And this is coming from someone who feeds their family from writing lol.
Both have potential and both need work -- as this was just a spring game. But both have the ability to improve and both will improve as they gain experience.
You feel me, Nix?
And it was a focused article/section called "Quick-game/mechanical improvements." I was focused on his progression scans, footwork and understanding of when to bolt the pocket.
I wasn't focused on every little nuance to appease you not liking Jennings and loving Harris. And in the Harris article I focused on what makes him difference and how that can be a positive.
You're focusing on something a blowing it up way out of proportion. I even said judging him off the Auburn game is dumb as if we are all held to our initial offering in life.
We are talking about two QBs on a football team, right? And not two women from the club the other night. You're going much too hard for something that ain't that serious. And this is coming from someone who feeds their family from writing lol.
Both have potential and both need work -- as this was just a spring game. But both have the ability to improve and both will improve as they gain experience.
You feel me, Nix?
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:28 am to Nix to Twillie
I think I agree w almost everything you wrote.
Firstly, I appreciate the time you took to study and write up all your pieces. But there is no doubt your favoritism towards Jennings overrides the objectivity of your articles.
I love both guys bc they are tigers. I believe Jennings can improve, but let's be real here-
Jennings CANNOT make all the throws, and except for the deep ball "touch", which is already a low percentage pass play, Jennings's touch is not good. This is easily evidenced by poor screen game execution. He nearly missed a wide open 4 yd route to Logan Stokes in the end zone that required full extension to execute. I give AJ some leeway on that as he hadn't thrown a pass the whole drive, but he missed a lot of short targets last year.
I was really looking forward to this article from you but I really only learned that you think Harris would flourish in "Cheetah" sets. I really disliked the whole first 25% of the article rehashing your AJ bias, as I'd already read your AJ breakdown.
AJ's strengths are clearly his intangibles, and I suspect with improved receiver play he will improve. The footwork issues with Harris and his tendency to leave the pocket early are issues that will improve with experience. The fact remains that even in his limited experience Harris has had the offense firing on all cylinders more drives than AJ, and when Harris ran with the 1's in the spring the offense looked more cohesive.
I still believe that AJ, as much as I like the kid and want success for him, will not win any form of championship for LSU. His only real threat in the passing game is the deep threat and once that is consistently defended LSU is too one dimensional. Now that the rules favor the offense more, LSU needs to adopt a bit more of the wrinkles the rules favor. Harris is better suited to execute those wrinkles.
LSU should be using Fournette to take pressure off the learning curve of Harris rather than allowing Jennings the large majority of "in game learning" this season.
I suspect the staff finds some way to mismanage the talent once again and we find ways to lose. This team should lose at most 2 games based on talent alone.
Firstly, I appreciate the time you took to study and write up all your pieces. But there is no doubt your favoritism towards Jennings overrides the objectivity of your articles.
I love both guys bc they are tigers. I believe Jennings can improve, but let's be real here-
Jennings CANNOT make all the throws, and except for the deep ball "touch", which is already a low percentage pass play, Jennings's touch is not good. This is easily evidenced by poor screen game execution. He nearly missed a wide open 4 yd route to Logan Stokes in the end zone that required full extension to execute. I give AJ some leeway on that as he hadn't thrown a pass the whole drive, but he missed a lot of short targets last year.
I was really looking forward to this article from you but I really only learned that you think Harris would flourish in "Cheetah" sets. I really disliked the whole first 25% of the article rehashing your AJ bias, as I'd already read your AJ breakdown.
AJ's strengths are clearly his intangibles, and I suspect with improved receiver play he will improve. The footwork issues with Harris and his tendency to leave the pocket early are issues that will improve with experience. The fact remains that even in his limited experience Harris has had the offense firing on all cylinders more drives than AJ, and when Harris ran with the 1's in the spring the offense looked more cohesive.
I still believe that AJ, as much as I like the kid and want success for him, will not win any form of championship for LSU. His only real threat in the passing game is the deep threat and once that is consistently defended LSU is too one dimensional. Now that the rules favor the offense more, LSU needs to adopt a bit more of the wrinkles the rules favor. Harris is better suited to execute those wrinkles.
LSU should be using Fournette to take pressure off the learning curve of Harris rather than allowing Jennings the large majority of "in game learning" this season.
I suspect the staff finds some way to mismanage the talent once again and we find ways to lose. This team should lose at most 2 games based on talent alone.
This post was edited on 6/18/15 at 11:40 am
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:28 am to Nix to Twillie
Yea Mett did turn that corner late in the season and we really didn't see AJ do that. I just haven't been impressed at all with Harris. I think versus most sec teams several of his big throws in the spring game would have been picks. Jmho.. I also believe we have so much talent at wr we need the ball in their hands often with short quick 3 step drops, screens, end arounds, etc. and AJ just hasn't shown any "touch" in that area. Great touch on fades but that's about it. Harris needs one thing to take over. One word answer Command
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:28 am to Nix to Twillie
Sorry, dp
This post was edited on 6/18/15 at 11:39 am
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:29 am to alumni95
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Faith is believing without seeing, so I guess you deserve some points there. But I might as well be from Missouri - SHOW ME.
Uhhh this was a spring game study, 95. He, Jennings, did just that in the spring game. I can only evaluate what's put in front of me.
If you're from the Show Me State and he showed you that in the spring game, you may want to change your residency lol.
We will reevaluate when we're provided with more examples -- during the season.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:35 am to SECisKing
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SECisKing
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I'm super busy today so I won't be able to chop it up with y'all the way I like to. SMH
You've responded to everyone.
You let the rantards get to you. Btw, I enjoy your articles and appreciate the fact you come here and discuss them. 
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:36 am to SECisKing
Harris taking off when he could have made the throw was something you were quick to point out. He still scrambled and picked up the first down. To me, that doesn't seem NEARLY as obvious as this bad throw made by Jennings: LINK
I think any fan watching would say they'd rather have a guy pass up open guys only to run and pick up a first than a guy who air-mails easy passes. It seems you nitpick things about Harris's technique, when he still makes the play, while ignoring blatantly obvious missed throws from Jennings.
I think any fan watching would say they'd rather have a guy pass up open guys only to run and pick up a first than a guy who air-mails easy passes. It seems you nitpick things about Harris's technique, when he still makes the play, while ignoring blatantly obvious missed throws from Jennings.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:36 am to 0jersey
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I was really looking forward to this article from you but I really only learned that you think Harris would flourish in "Cheetah" sets. I really disliked the whole first 25% of the article rehashing your AJ bias, as I'd already read your AJ breakdown.
First rule of journalism: Never assume your audience has read your work. I guarantee you there were thousands of people who never read the first article so calling something part 2 and not rehashing some of part 1 is bad journalism.
I write with impression that any article will go way past my readership of the previous article. And let's be real; some won't read and will only skim. That's the nature of the business.
And I'm not sure what bias was presented in the article when I broke down film. It wasn't an opinion piece, per se. Harris was in Cheetah sets just about all the time he was in the game, especially with the starters.
Jennings was in "U" personnel and under center more. That's not an opinion, those are facts.
If Cam decides to start Harris and runs the same stuff he did in the spring game, then would it be bias on my part? Or would it be e evaluating what I saw?
But I appreciate your time and the props. And I agree with a great deal of your post.
This post was edited on 6/18/15 at 11:45 am
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:37 am to Nix to Twillie
Uh dude, Harris threw an interception as he was locked-in on a target going deep...Did I even mention it? NOPE because it wasn't a part of what I was getting at.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:43 am to Nix to Twillie
Huh? Nitpick about Harris' technique while he still made the play? He didn't make the play because he didn't throw the ball; he improvised.
Nitpicking is not pointing out in that play that DIarse ran parallel to the LOS while Jennings threw it as if he were going to catch it in stride as he had blocking in front of him; Jennings led him upfield which is what most would've done.
That's a miscommunication. I merely pointed out Harris' first intention is to run as he trusts his legs more than his eyes now. You're making it out like I harped and harped on it when I used it as a positive in showing his other weapons that distinguish him.
Bro, we're going to have to agree to disagree because I have to bounce and don't want to leave you hanging.
There's no debate and I never said I would start Jennings over Harris. I actually said Harris could lead the most explosive attack in the SEC and you're still bent out of shape. haha
Peace, man.
Nitpicking is not pointing out in that play that DIarse ran parallel to the LOS while Jennings threw it as if he were going to catch it in stride as he had blocking in front of him; Jennings led him upfield which is what most would've done.
That's a miscommunication. I merely pointed out Harris' first intention is to run as he trusts his legs more than his eyes now. You're making it out like I harped and harped on it when I used it as a positive in showing his other weapons that distinguish him.
Bro, we're going to have to agree to disagree because I have to bounce and don't want to leave you hanging.
There's no debate and I never said I would start Jennings over Harris. I actually said Harris could lead the most explosive attack in the SEC and you're still bent out of shape. haha
Peace, man.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:45 am to SECisKing
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He didn't make the play because he didn't throw the ball; he improvised.
...and got the first down.
All you had to do was this:
-Here's solid, improved play made by Jennings.
-Here's a poor play by Jennings where he still needs improvement.
And then the same for Harris. Instead, we got:
--Here's solid, improved play by Jennings.
--Here's Harris showing us what we already knew.
--Here's where Harris falls short.
Just balance it out and it's a good write-up. As it is, it's like Fox News or MSNBC trying to provide "unbiased" comparison of presidential candidates.
ETA: I think it's really cool what you do and I appreciate you taking the time to chat about it. We STRONGLY disagree, but I appreciate your thoughts and look forward to reading more of your work. Take care.
This post was edited on 6/18/15 at 11:55 am
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:47 am to okietiger13
lol, I'm a man of the people. I respond to anyone who takes the time out to read my work. I work really hard on these so I don't mind debating with the readers, either. It's fun to me as I'm not going to take it that serious because I know how fans are.
I really like this board so not answering now, would look strange when I always answer anyway.
I appreciate ya though, Okie!
I really like this board so not answering now, would look strange when I always answer anyway.
I appreciate ya though, Okie!
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:54 am to Nix to Twillie
Nix, I appreciate ya challenging me, too. I don't mind as I don't consider myself to be bigger than anyone despite being a full-time writer. I'm up for a debate any time as long as we can keep it cordial like you did. So props to you and we'll continue to disagree. (Although I'm confused as to what we're disagreeing about as I said I like Harris and he'd lead the most explosive attack in the conference.)
But we must agree that the Tigers are super talented and either QB has the weapons to get the job done now that the targets have more experience.
Thanks you, my man. I gotta bounce.
But we must agree that the Tigers are super talented and either QB has the weapons to get the job done now that the targets have more experience.
Thanks you, my man. I gotta bounce.
This post was edited on 6/18/15 at 11:55 am
Posted on 6/18/15 at 11:56 am to SECisKing
I wasn't making the point about opinions concerning the Cheetah set, it was more to say that I learned it from your article. It was appreciated by me, not called into question.
I definitely understand your "rule" of journalism, however, your article on AJ simply had a blurb about Harris will be discussed in a future breakdown. In my opinion only, I felt you should have treated AJ the same way you treated Harris in the AJ breakdown. You should have put in a statement that had a link to the earlier breakdown of AJ rather than using the space you did. THAT alone would have given you a more impartial slant to your piece. Instead it works against you because it should be a breakdown of Harris rather than a comparison to AJ- which is how it read to me.
I guess I was looking for a bit more as I enjoyed your other breakdowns more, not just because I think Harris is the answer. I imagine this is partly due to the long wait LOL.
I would have preferred seeing you take the angle of Harris's arm strength is elite which can work for or against him. You could have shown his deep throw to Chark and said that Harris has the potential for these types of plays but he may lack the risk aversion necessary for the coaching staff to give home the reins. That was into double coverage and people went nuts over it, but I think that is a bit of his Achilles heel. Harris will be more turnover prone, but also has more explosive potential.
Anyway, although it seems like I'm trying to tell you how to write I don't intend it to seem that way. I just think you are better than what you wrote for this particular article.
I definitely understand your "rule" of journalism, however, your article on AJ simply had a blurb about Harris will be discussed in a future breakdown. In my opinion only, I felt you should have treated AJ the same way you treated Harris in the AJ breakdown. You should have put in a statement that had a link to the earlier breakdown of AJ rather than using the space you did. THAT alone would have given you a more impartial slant to your piece. Instead it works against you because it should be a breakdown of Harris rather than a comparison to AJ- which is how it read to me.
I guess I was looking for a bit more as I enjoyed your other breakdowns more, not just because I think Harris is the answer. I imagine this is partly due to the long wait LOL.
I would have preferred seeing you take the angle of Harris's arm strength is elite which can work for or against him. You could have shown his deep throw to Chark and said that Harris has the potential for these types of plays but he may lack the risk aversion necessary for the coaching staff to give home the reins. That was into double coverage and people went nuts over it, but I think that is a bit of his Achilles heel. Harris will be more turnover prone, but also has more explosive potential.
Anyway, although it seems like I'm trying to tell you how to write I don't intend it to seem that way. I just think you are better than what you wrote for this particular article.
Posted on 6/18/15 at 12:05 pm to SECisKing
Upvote because the title made laugh. Didn't even read. Harris won't even play unfortunately.
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