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re: GOT Book Readers: Jon Snow question
Posted on 4/19/15 at 10:33 pm to weagle99
Posted on 4/19/15 at 10:33 pm to weagle99
I'm nearly 100% confident he's not Ned's son. Just listen to this, and tell me that everyone there was not beating around the bush that they all know that the rightful heir to the Seven Kingdoms is up those stairs on that tower: LINK
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Posted on 4/19/15 at 11:03 pm to OMLandshark
The R+L=J theory isn't complicated, OML.
Rhaegar had, arguably, his 3 best men not guarding the King and not with him at the trident. Why?
It has always been implied that he was protecting Lyanna, above all things, and his heir. That is more the action of a lover than a kidnapper, but Lyanna's status aside, Rhaegar expected to be king and the unborn child one of his heirs.
The N+A=J theory is much more complicated - tied back into the Tourney at Harenhall. If Ned and Ashara got together then, and then she killed herself after Ned returned Dawn to Starfall, unable to cope with the fact that her bastard's father had killed her brother. Ned then took the child to raise, without revealing his mother's name, to protect her family honor. Ironically, Ned has (relatively) clean hands at this point, because the fling at the tourney would have happened when Brandon was still alive and betrothed to Cat (sorry had Lyanna on the brain - along with Aerys - the most significant character in the books that was dead before the events). Timeline, I'm not sure Jon could have been passed off as a young enough age - unless he was just much smaller than Robb.
As to why I think R+L=J is much more plausible - why conceal the boy's parentage if he is the love child of Stark and Dayne? He's already illegitimate and Ned already takes the hit for fathering a bastard. No. It makes sense that if it is revealed that Jon is actually a Targaryen, he'd be killed, period, particularly if Robert knew it was the child of Rhaegar and Lyanna (remember? That's what started the whole war of the usurper in the first place).
Now - the problem is going to be - who has the best argument to be king/queen?
Dany is a child of the mad king - the aunt of Young Griff/Aegon (if he actually is who we all think he is, and not an imposter) and Jon (if R+L=J). So, if females can rise with existing male heirs - then Dany is the queen (and she has 3 dragons). But the dragon has three heads, right?
Are the 3 heads, Dany, Aegon and Jon Snow Stark Targaryen?
Rhaegar had, arguably, his 3 best men not guarding the King and not with him at the trident. Why?
It has always been implied that he was protecting Lyanna, above all things, and his heir. That is more the action of a lover than a kidnapper, but Lyanna's status aside, Rhaegar expected to be king and the unborn child one of his heirs.
The N+A=J theory is much more complicated - tied back into the Tourney at Harenhall. If Ned and Ashara got together then, and then she killed herself after Ned returned Dawn to Starfall, unable to cope with the fact that her bastard's father had killed her brother. Ned then took the child to raise, without revealing his mother's name, to protect her family honor. Ironically, Ned has (relatively) clean hands at this point, because the fling at the tourney would have happened when Brandon was still alive and betrothed to Cat (sorry had Lyanna on the brain - along with Aerys - the most significant character in the books that was dead before the events). Timeline, I'm not sure Jon could have been passed off as a young enough age - unless he was just much smaller than Robb.
As to why I think R+L=J is much more plausible - why conceal the boy's parentage if he is the love child of Stark and Dayne? He's already illegitimate and Ned already takes the hit for fathering a bastard. No. It makes sense that if it is revealed that Jon is actually a Targaryen, he'd be killed, period, particularly if Robert knew it was the child of Rhaegar and Lyanna (remember? That's what started the whole war of the usurper in the first place).
Now - the problem is going to be - who has the best argument to be king/queen?
Dany is a child of the mad king - the aunt of Young Griff/Aegon (if he actually is who we all think he is, and not an imposter) and Jon (if R+L=J). So, if females can rise with existing male heirs - then Dany is the queen (and she has 3 dragons). But the dragon has three heads, right?
Are the 3 heads, Dany, Aegon and Jon Snow Stark Targaryen?
This post was edited on 4/19/15 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 4/19/15 at 11:28 pm to OMLandshark
Holy shite! I did not know that recording existed! My favorite scene in possibly all of fantasy made as real as it will ever be since Game of Thrones decided to shite on my fandom and exclude that scene entirely from the show.
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