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re: Ben Affleck wanted his slave owner ancestor 'censored' from Finding Your Roots
Posted on 4/18/15 at 8:16 am to fouldeliverer
Posted on 4/18/15 at 8:16 am to fouldeliverer
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Holy mother of god. As a history teacher it actually pisses me off that there are people like you spreading this fricking bullshite. It boggles my mind that multiple people believe this. It's infuriating how many of you buy into this and other myths like many black southerners owned slaves or there were black confederate soldiers. Have you ever read any antebellum primary sources in your life? God damn, just read Thomas Jeffersons notes on Virginia and tell me that it wasn't racial.
It makes them feel better about the crap their people did
Posted on 4/18/15 at 8:18 am to fatheadgator
Why is revisionism bad? History is constantly being revised, all history being taught is revisionist. It's a dumb term to use because we are constantly discovering new information and adjusting our interpretations of the past. I'm glad I don't teach the same historical interpretations as historians did in the 1920s.
Posted on 4/18/15 at 8:18 am to fouldeliverer
As a "History" teacher you should know the very word slave comes from the Slavic people who were taken as slaves by Muslims.
Posted on 4/18/15 at 8:19 am to Placebeaux
So the frick what? What's your point?
Posted on 4/18/15 at 8:19 am to fouldeliverer
White people- the original slaves
Posted on 4/18/15 at 8:20 am to fouldeliverer
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There was a racial hierarchy. Many whites such as Jefferson believed Native American were more intelligent and capable of being civilized. They viewed blacks as animalistic and in need of bondage for their own good.
Funny that you mention that -- because our racial caste system really hasn't changed that much considering all the time spent to explicitly keep blacks at the bottom.
Posted on 4/18/15 at 8:23 am to StrongSafety
So black people aren't given more opportunity nowadays?
I would have to disagree
I would have to disagree
Posted on 4/18/15 at 8:25 am to fouldeliverer
Posted on 4/18/15 at 8:25 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
The whole notion of "white" and "black" is a modem convention so we can't discuss slavery of antiquity in a racial fashion.
Posted on 4/18/15 at 8:26 am to fouldeliverer
Just that if I apply your theory to slavery throughout history it shows that every race or sub-race feels superior to every other race not just the mean old white people.
Posted on 4/18/15 at 8:27 am to Ghostfacedistiller
I've read it before, thanks though.
Posted on 4/18/15 at 8:29 am to fouldeliverer
Slavery was predominantly a racist Institution. Humans were treated as property and forced labor as a matter of Law and they had very little protections either under that law, or even in a general societal sense. Slavery was and is Human Primitivism, as is racism. Slavery was also hundreds of years of individual human interactions.
But there was also Benevolent Slavery. It occurred THOUSANDS of times over hundreds of years. Many of the black "free black" slave-holders (despite what you say it actually was fairly common-especially in Louisiana) were Benevolent slave-holders. They basically "owned" slaves to protect them from falling into a a far worse slavery. They lived with the owner, and usually provided services and labor and were given "the protection of ownership" in return by enlightened whites or benevolent black slave-holders. In other words there actually were numerous different levels of slavery, from the absolutely inhumane to the intentionally protective benevolent and humanitarian. These were in fact ancient human arrangements perfectly in line with human nature and the history of Man (sordid more often than not), and common across Continents and Civilizations.
I'm sorry if these facts makes you squirm on some ideological level. Are you sure you should be a teacher, if objective fact makes you lash out with demeaning generalities and personal invective? Maybe you should seek the advice of Professor Gates or write Ben a fan letter instead? Or you could attempt to argue your points like a confident adult, rather than an angry close-minded Ideologue?
But there was also Benevolent Slavery. It occurred THOUSANDS of times over hundreds of years. Many of the black "free black" slave-holders (despite what you say it actually was fairly common-especially in Louisiana) were Benevolent slave-holders. They basically "owned" slaves to protect them from falling into a a far worse slavery. They lived with the owner, and usually provided services and labor and were given "the protection of ownership" in return by enlightened whites or benevolent black slave-holders. In other words there actually were numerous different levels of slavery, from the absolutely inhumane to the intentionally protective benevolent and humanitarian. These were in fact ancient human arrangements perfectly in line with human nature and the history of Man (sordid more often than not), and common across Continents and Civilizations.
I'm sorry if these facts makes you squirm on some ideological level. Are you sure you should be a teacher, if objective fact makes you lash out with demeaning generalities and personal invective? Maybe you should seek the advice of Professor Gates or write Ben a fan letter instead? Or you could attempt to argue your points like a confident adult, rather than an angry close-minded Ideologue?
Posted on 4/18/15 at 8:30 am to Placebeaux
You shouldn't apply it throughout history. That's the point, the development of negro slavery in North America (particularly for the British and Americans) is much different than previous forms.
Posted on 4/18/15 at 8:33 am to Lsupimp
In my opinion, there is no such thing as benevolent slavery, under any circumstances it is cruel and twisted.
This post was edited on 4/18/15 at 8:35 am
Posted on 4/18/15 at 8:34 am to StrongSafety
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considering all the time spent to explicitly keep blacks at the bottom.
Yes I wish liberal blacks wouldn't do that to themselves. Learned Helplessness and cultural embracement of disastrous Social Pathologies really is a tragedy for American blacks. Let me know if you want me to tell you again how to succeed in America. My Vietnamese wife did it in about five years.
Posted on 4/18/15 at 8:34 am to fouldeliverer
do you know who started the Atlantic slave trade or should I say who funded it
Posted on 4/18/15 at 8:41 am to fouldeliverer
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In my opinion, there is no such thing as benevolent slavery, under any circumstances it is cruel and twisted.
Well there were at least some fairly benign forms. Some former slaves stayed on and kept working on the plantations after the Civil War was over.
They couldn't have been too pissed off if they were willing to do that.
Posted on 4/18/15 at 8:41 am to Ghostfacedistiller
I’ve watched this show a few times and it’s the same format everytime. Prof Beer Summit Gates traces some white persons ancestry and it always leads to their ancestor was a slave owner, then overwhelms that person into white guilt.
This post was edited on 4/18/15 at 8:43 am
Posted on 4/18/15 at 8:41 am to StrongSafety
Do you not feel the ancestors of blacks that were brought here live an incredibly more comfortable existence than if slavery hadnt brought them here? You should celebrate the day your great great whatever got whipped on that boat
I think its incredibly bad manners to complain about the greatest thing ever to happen to your race because it took "too long". We're talking about undoing thousands of years of a socially acceptable and legal practice
I think its incredibly bad manners to complain about the greatest thing ever to happen to your race because it took "too long". We're talking about undoing thousands of years of a socially acceptable and legal practice
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