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Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:34 pm to
Posted by FairhopeTider
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Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:34 pm to


Great costume....but that Bat Symbol is fricking awful
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:40 pm to
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Yep. The Superman Lives project from the 90s was to feature a cameo from Bruce Wayne. A Batman vs Superman movie would have followed.


yep, they also tried doing all this while Nolan was making TDK. I remember Armie hammer was being considered to play Batman.
Posted by abellsujr
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Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:47 pm to
Yea, they've wanted to do this for years. Batman and Robin was a huge set back. Superman Lives get's scraped (for the better). Then you had Nolan who came in and was adamant about Superman not existing in his world. He hogged Batman for a long time. Then you had the failing that was Superman Returns thanks to Jon Peters.

Now they finally have a chance to do this.
Posted by jeff5891
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Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:49 pm to
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Superman Returns thanks to Jon Peters. 
just Jon Peters.....?
Posted by abellsujr
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Posted on 4/22/15 at 10:52 pm to
Mainly Jon Peters, IMO. It was his decision to bring in Bryan Singer knowing full well the shite sandwich he had planned.
This post was edited on 4/22/15 at 11:26 pm
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:39 pm to
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Great costume....but that Bat Symbol is fricking awful
They're going old school with Batman. That suit is modernized, but looks like it's the gray and black from way back. 40's, even.

I think the trailer is a red herring, as is the title. Given that Marvel is making money hand over fist with sequels and tie-ins, WB/DC has to be planning to do the same thing before the public moves on. The fact that Wonder Woman and Aquaman are in this also- it points to future films.

My opinion- Batman and Superman are being played by ... someone, some threat. Biggest likelihood is Luthor, who knows Supes would shut him down in a nanosec. So he manipulates fellow billionaire Wayne, because he knows Wayne is from the same city as Batman, and he just guesses Wayne can somehow appeal/bribe Batman into the mix.
Luthor does this because he assumes if anyone can gum up Superman and keep him distracted, it would be Batman.

In MOS, we've established that Kryptonians visited Earth thousands of years ago. OK, so let's take this angle- there was some contact with the ancient Greeks (possibly the Olympians), and two city-states (Atlantis and Themyscira) were able to use that tech to survive the Minoan disaster (heck, the disaster might have been a result of warfare with that tech). Both cities survived, and agreed that this knowledge and tech were too much for mankind, so they "cloaked" themselves and entered a long Cold War treaty.
edit to add: if there was contact, we can likely assume there was some fraternization (since the species appear to look alike). Maybe some strains of Kryptonian DNA in the bloodlines; not enough to make someone Superman, but enough to give you extra ability. In Wonder Woman's case (based on her comic book levels), she might be pretty pure-blooded.

Now, given the concerns about Superman (and Zod's recent threat), the US government and billionaire Luthor have been rapidly searching for countermeasures. Perhaps the two cities are also concerned, and one is considering sharing with the outside world, while the other is opposed. Either way, Luthor becomes aware of these cities, and sees it as his chance to seize global power. As Wonder Woman is more warlike, I'll say her city is the one Luthor is trying to convince. Maybe he is also seducing the Queen, which puts Wonder Woman a little on the outside, but still the loyal general who despises Atlantis. Aquaman, the king of Atlantis, is in opposition and wants to remain isolated, and possibly threatens open war against Themyscira if they break the agreement... and to hell with the outside world.

This would give us Luthor manipulating all parties, Superman tied up with Batman, and Wonder Woman in direct conflict with Aquaman. It appears Luthor has won the chess match, but has made the mistake of assuming Batman is just a vigilante brute, based on his appearance and style; severely underestimating him. Batman turns out to be the one who figures it all out, and becomes the unifying brains behind the other, super-powered heroes. We end with the group uniting to stop Luthor's plans, and deciding that they should remain together to face future threats: Aquaman as Atlantis' champion, Wonder Woman as Themyscira's, Superman as the big gun and the outside world's champion, and Batman as the glue, because he earned their respect despite lacking their powers; he has a mind for details and a propensity to get things done, and maybe a desire for a little hope and brightness after his long, dark past.

Just a guess.
This post was edited on 4/22/15 at 11:53 pm
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:45 pm to
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I think the trailer is a red herring, as is the title. Given that Marvel is making money hand over fist with sequels and tie-ins, WB/DC has to be planning to do the same thing before the public moves on. The fact that Wonder Woman and Aquaman are in this also- it points to future films.



Well.....duh.

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My opinion- Batman and Superman are being played by ... someone, some threat. Biggest likelihood is Luthor, who knows Supes would shut him down in a nanosec. So he manipulates fellow billionaire Wayne, because he knows Wayne is from the same city as Batman, and he just guesses Wayne can somehow appeal/bribe Batman into the mix. Luthor does this because he assumes if anyone can gum up Superman and keep him distracted, it would be Batman.


Well....duh


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In MOS, we've established that Kryptonians visited Earth thousands of years ago. OK, so let's take this angle- there was some contact with the ancient Greeks (possibly the Olympians), and two city-states (Atlantis and Themyscira) were able to use that tech to survive the Minoan disaster (heck, the disaster might have been a result of warfare with that tech). Both cities survived, and agreed that this knowledge and tech were too much for mankind, so they "cloaked" themselves and entered a long Cold War treaty. Now, given the concerns about Superman (and Zod's recent threat), the US government and billionaire Luthor have been rapidly searching for countermeasures. Perhaps the two cities are also concerned, and one is considering sharing with the outside world, while the other is opposed. Either way, Luthor becomes aware of these cities, and sees it as his chance to seize global power. As Wonder Woman is more warlike, I'll say her city is the one Luthor is trying to convince. Maybe he is also seducing the Queen, which puts Wonder Woman a little on the outside, but still the loyal general who despises Atlantis. Aquaman, the king of Atlantis, is in opposition and wants to remain isolated, and possibly threatens open war against Themyscira if they break the agreement... and to hell with the outside world. This would give us Luthor manipulating all parties, Superman tied up with Batman, and Wonder Woman in direct conflict with Aquaman. It appears Luthor has won the chess match, but has made the mistake of assuming Batman is just a vigilante brute, based on his appearance and style; severely underestimating him. Batman turns out to be the one who figures it all out, and becomes the unifying brains behind the other, super-powered heroes. We end with the group uniting to stop Luthor's plans, and deciding that they should remain together to face future threats: Aquaman as Atlantis' champion, Wonder Woman as Themyscira's, Superman as the big gun and the outside world's champion, and Batman as the glue, because he earned their respect despite lacking their powers; he has a mind for details and a propensity to get things done, and maybe a desire for a little hope and brightness after his long, dark past.


Ok you lost me
Posted by abellsujr
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Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:47 pm to
He's just giving some thoughts, man. Go easy on him.
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 4/22/15 at 11:51 pm to
I'll try
Posted by Proximo
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Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:04 am to
close-up suit details

Here's a new video that shows the detail of the suits
Posted by VaBamaMan
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Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:05 am to
Its actually not that bad of a theory. Far-fetched, but what isnt in the comic world?
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:22 am to
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I'll try
You bring Wonder Woman and Aquaman in.., why?

Both, based on the comics, have Greek myth ties. He's King of Atlantis, she's the Amazon champ.

MOS had evidence of Kryptonians landing in the Artic thousands of years ago; perhaps some landed in a populated area too. Some may have decided to go native, and/or rule as gods (we are safe to assume they had the same powers Superman did). These could have been the precursors to the Olympian myths.

Those original Kryptonians would have passed away (we assume), but if they screwed the locals, they'd create some half-breed progeny. Their offspring would likely have episodes of major powers (ala Wonder Woman, who's almost the equal to Superman).

They would have been far more advanced, and their little kingdoms would likely have the tech to hide from the outside world.

With the outside world now in major fear of what Superman could do (and what Zod did), there would be tons of governmental agencies focused on watching him, looking for him, and trying to figure out how to defend against him, in all sorts of creative ways.

One of these could have stumbled onto the previously hidden cities, which may or may not be considering it now time to share their tech with the outside world. If they still exist (and with Wonder Woman and Aquaman present, I assume they do), they'd certainly be aware that SOMETHING just happened, the world almost got terraformed (Kryptoformed).

Luthor, being a billionaire, might be deep into the government's business. Being a megalomaniac, he might see the chance to form a personal treaty with one of these advanced cultures, as his ticket to world domination. Especially if he could somehow insert himself as leader via coup d'etat.

If you buy into that string of suppositions, you then get to the issue that Aquaman is King of Atlantis, while Wonder Woman is merely a champion of her city... which is ruled by a queen. So that gives the possibility that Luthor might try to engage in some pillow negotiations, with the overall goal of- what? Maybe marry the queen, then off her. Maybe the city itself has high tech at it's disposals, but Wonder Woman looks like a female Greek warrior, with a sword, not a gun... they may not understand what they have anymore (but Luthor does).

Again, it's all just guessing. But if they want to bring in other superheroes, they have already established Krypton has been here a long time ago. It might be the way you give WW et al their powers, and still fit into the MOS storyline.
Posted by abellsujr
New England
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Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:37 am to
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MOS had evidence of Kryptonians landing in the Artic thousands of years ago; perhaps some landed in a populated area too. Some may have decided to go native, and/or rule as gods (we are safe to assume they had the same powers Superman did). These could have been the precursors to the Olympian myths.

Those original Kryptonians would have passed away (we assume), but if they screwed the locals, they'd create some half-breed progeny. Their offspring would likely have episodes of major powers (ala Wonder Woman, who's almost the equal to Superman).
I think all of your breeding ideas are not going to happen. I just think that this part of your speculation is not right for the tone and would garner too much..........well...........awkwardness, IMO.
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If you buy into that string of suppositions, you then get to the issue that Aquaman is King of Atlantis, while Wonder Woman is merely a champion of her city... which is ruled by a queen. So that gives the possibility that Luthor might try to engage in some pillow negotiations, with the overall goal of- what? Maybe marry the queen, then off her. Maybe the city itself has high tech at it's disposals, but Wonder Woman looks like a female Greek warrior, with a sword, not a gun... they may not understand what they have anymore (but Luthor does).
I'm not sure this will fit either. It doesn't appear that Luthor is the seducing type in this story. He's around the same age as Superman but is a complete opposite in the physical sense. He's skinny and strange looking. He is rich and has a voice, though; and I think that will weigh heavy in the story. All ideas and guesses at this point. We will see.
This post was edited on 4/23/15 at 12:43 am
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:43 am to
Also, going back to Batman's role; his costume looks a lot like the really old ones. Back in the old days, he really did come across as a scary, nightstalking brute (it wasn't until Adam West came along that there was any levity or niceness to him).

While Batman/Bruce Wayne would be aware that he's highly intelligent guy interested in justice, the world at large saw him as a terrifying figure, maybe an underworld enforcer. Basically, he was acting as the bogeyman who'd get you, if you went bad. The cops were after him, except for Gordon (although not with a lot of effort, because they then might actually run into him).

Someone like Luthor, then, would not view him as particularly smart or honorable; he'd see him as an attack dog that he could sic on Superman. He probably wouldn't give a second thought to the concept that Batman might figure him out.
And if this Batman is anything like he's supposed to be, then that's an obvious plot device to be used.

Because ultimately if they all survive, we have to figure a way Batman fits in with people with powers. Having him be the brains behind it all fits the character, and fits nicely into the balance. Otherwise, why would Superman etc listen to him?

Look at the Watchmen parallels; Batman is both Nite Owl and Rorschach, not just one. Rorschach is the one who figured it out. Batman should be, too- but survive.
Posted by abellsujr
New England
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Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:55 am to
Other than that, I think you bring some interesting things to think about. I can tell you have a passion for the material.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
20536 posts
Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:58 am to
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I think all of your breeding ideas are not going to happen. I just think that this part of your speculation is not right for the tone and would garner too much..........well...........awkwardness, IMO.
I don't agree, that isn't awkward at all. IF, say, a handful of Kryptonians "went native" and stayed, heck, the races look identical. You're saying they wouldn't mingle?

I'm not saying forced harems, I'm saying some weary astronauts liked an island paradise they found, advanced it with what they could offer, and didn't turn down the chance to wed the hottest girls on the island (who likely thought they were awesome catches). And this evolved over thousands of years to what they'd be today.

Some people pass down green eyes and red hair; in this case it might be the super strength Diana has. And they could possibly have some gadgets powered by tremendously advanced tech, which happens to hide their existence, but all they know is it heats the water.

Heck, the Amazons might simply not be advanced, and just have the above scenario- high tech relics they are totally unaware of the function, while their society remains unchanged. That would definitely make them a target, once discovered. The only issue WOULD be their genetics, which would keep them from being wiped out in a day. And also explain why Diana has a sword and armor.

Don't know where Aquaman then fits, but there's a year to speculate on that.
Posted by BigAppleTiger
New York City
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 7:52 pm to
A few new images and concept art have trickled out over the last few days:





Everything I see gets me more excited for this film.
Posted by Bamatab
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 8:25 pm to
If Gal Gadot looks anywhere close to that, her personal trainer should get praised. She might just be able to pull off the look (which I very seriously doubted).
Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 9:20 pm to
Me likey.
Posted by xenythx
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 5/2/15 at 9:25 pm to
My biggest complaint again is Zack Snyder sucking all the color out of the world he's created. The Wonder Woman outfit looks great here but if the released promo shot is any indication, Snyder is going to throw a filter over it and make it all muted and dull.
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