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re: Lost Writer Reveals Show's Complicated Creation
Posted on 3/26/15 at 1:35 pm to WG_Dawg
Posted on 3/26/15 at 1:35 pm to WG_Dawg
quote:reminds me of SFP in finale thread.
It absolutely blows my mind that there are some people that could watch the entire series, or hell just the last 10 minutes, and still think that was the case.
Look at everyone who thought it was purgatory when it ended
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Posted on 3/26/15 at 1:42 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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We created an entire 747s worth of ideas, notions, fragments, complications, and concepts that would yield enough narrative fiction to last as long as our corporate overlords would demand to feed their need for profit and prestige. And then we made it all up as we went.”
Posted on 3/26/15 at 1:43 pm to WG_Dawg
quote:It blows my mind that this blows your mind.
It absolutely blows my mind that there are some people that could watch the entire series, or hell just the last 10 minutes, and still think that was the case.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 2:12 pm to jeff5891
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Look at everyone who thought it was purgatory when it ended
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Good find
I stand by everything I said in that thread, and I don't think my tune has changed much.Posted on 3/26/15 at 2:16 pm to CocomoLSU
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My point was that even if you're looney (fricking looney? ) enough to believe or stay on the "purgatory bandwagon" all along, they specifically push you off of it in the finale. So if you're still on it at that point, you're trying to miss obvious things. Even if you want to argue that there are a lot of things throughout the show that aren't so obvious and that are open to interpretation, the entire show being purgatory isn't one of them.
Re-reading the Lost finale thread makes me remember the shot of the plane crash at the end. I specifically called that an "F You" to the fans. I don't think it's as much of these looneys "Trying" to miss obvious things. It's about the writers toying with them deliberately with Christian's speech and showing the crash.
That was very much on purpose to mess with specific types of fans. Rustlin jimmies if you will.
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That's such bullshite...but now you're just trying to push my Lost buttons, so I will attempt to ignore it.
Half correct
Posted on 3/26/15 at 2:17 pm to Freauxzen
The total number of pages for the Lost finale thread is 108.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 2:19 pm to Freauxzen
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That was very much on purpose to mess with specific types of fans. Rustlin jimmies if you will.
See, I disagree completely. Maybe they should've known that, but to me it was clearly obvious that they were just cycling through sets as sort of a "goodbye homage" to the show.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 2:20 pm to CocomoLSU
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See, I disagree completely. Maybe they should've known that, but to me it was clearly obvious that they were just cycling through sets as sort of a "goodbye homage" to the show.
Then the final image should have been something happier, or a picture of all of them walking or working together. Not the crash.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 2:20 pm to Freauxzen
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I specifically called that an "F You" to the fans. I don't think it's as much of these looneys "Trying" to miss obvious things. It's about the writers toying with them deliberately with Christian's speech and showing the crash.
I just think you're taking a massive leap here. An 'f you' to fans..how? In what way? It was simply an homage to the beginning of the series. And you are completely stretching in saying they were "toying" with us.
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That was very much on purpose to mess with specific types of fans. Rustlin jimmies if you will.
People only got their jimmies rustled if they wanted them to be rustled. Everyone who takes christian's speech at face value didn't even think twice about the wreckage. I was shocked when I saw that that was actually a hot button issue the next day.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 2:23 pm to Freauxzen
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Then the final image should have been something happier, or a picture of all of them walking or working together. Not the crash.
I don't see what is so bad about. The final images were just wonderful though.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 2:24 pm to Freauxzen
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Then the final image should have been something happier, or a picture of all of them walking or working together. Not the crash.
A picture isn't a set though. That beach (and scene specifically) is what set the whole Lost phenomenon in motion. To take it as a slap in the face or a frick you to fans seems disingenuous. Why would they do that at all? Pissing off fans on purpose is one of the dumbest things someone can do. Of course, I'm assuming that everyone involved with the show cared about prestige, its legacy, making money, etc. So if all of those things are true, intentionally pissing off your fanbase is extraordinarily stupid and makes zero sense.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 2:36 pm to WG_Dawg
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I just think you're taking a massive leap here. An 'f you' to fans..how? In what way? It was simply an homage to the beginning of the series. And you are completely stretching in saying they were "toying" with us.
Was not a large part of the show toying with expectations and secrets? Red herrings? Misdirection?
If THEY KNOW their fans are picking everything apart, then they KNOW they are going to pick apart that scene. Even as a fan you should realize that.
Therefore, it's deliberate.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 2:43 pm to WG_Dawg
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You can't look at the totality of the show and interpret it that way. If in season 1 or 2 or something people thought it was purgatory...THAT would be a valid idea. Like you said there are interpretations of events that might lead people to think that, and they could have some valid arguments. But Christian's speech in teh church completely, absolutely, irrefutably wipes away all of that. He point blank tells the viewer that it wasn't purgatory. After that, I don't see how anyone could still interpret it tha
I honestly believe the writers were pissed people figured it out and rewrote how they to end it. Too many unanswered question and hidden clues that were worthless.
It's something I am worried A song of fire and ice is going through right now
Posted on 3/26/15 at 2:49 pm to Freauxzen
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Was not a large part of the show toying with expectations and secrets? Red herrings? Misdirection?
Yes, within the actual confines of the writing of the show. Every tv or movie drama ever uses misdirection to keep people off balance, that's not exclusive to LOST. I just think that thinking that a quick shot of a plane crash (on a show about a plane crash) AFTER the final LOST screen was done as some big diversion is crazy. And I mean assuming that everything is as jack said it and everything was real...you realize that the wreckage would still be there even when the losties went off and did other stuff right? Plus there were footprints around the wreckage, which is another pretty big tell that people were up and walking around.
I know neither of us will agree on the topic, I just think it's an extraordinary leap to think that that 10 seconds meant anything as it actually relates to the plot or storyline of the show.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 2:54 pm to WG_Dawg
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Yes, within the actual confines of the writing of the show. Every tv or movie drama ever uses misdirection to keep people off balance, that's not exclusive to LOST.
While a true statement, Lost is a completely different beast. Or at least i presented itself that way.
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I just think that thinking that a quick shot of a plane crash (on a show about a plane crash) AFTER the final LOST screen was done as some big diversion is crazy. And I mean assuming that everything is as jack said it and everything was real...you realize that the wreckage would still be there even when the losties went off and did other stuff right? Plus there were footprints around the wreckage, which is another pretty big tell that people were up and walking around.
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I know neither of us will agree on the topic, I just think it's an extraordinary leap to think that that 10 seconds meant anything as it actually relates to the plot or storyline of the show.
While I agree, is it crazy to think that people are overanalyzing that scene just because you don't? And do you think the writers knew that?
And did that scene really add ANYTHING to the show? Of course you can talk about that brief moment of sentimentality that serious Lost fans would have had, but it wasn't enough to say it was required viewing. I mean, simple questions, was that scene 100% certainly necessary to the show and plot or was it superfluous? Honestly.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 2:58 pm to Dire Wolf
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I honestly believe the writers were pissed people figured it out and rewrote how they to end it. Too many unanswered question and hidden clues that were worthless.
Read the full essay linked on the OP. He was very insistent that purgatory was never on the table when he was a writer there during the first two seasons. I don't see why he would lie about it given everything else he said in that essay.
Posted on 3/26/15 at 3:01 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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begs to
and speaks to.
WTF has happened to dominion of the English language?
Posted on 3/26/15 at 3:04 pm to Freauxzen
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While I agree, is it crazy to think that people are overanalyzing that scene just because you don't?
someone on TD has a sig quote like "if a million people believe a stupid thing, it's still a stupid thing". Just because a bunch of overanalyzers chose to find one LAST thing to pick apart, doesn't mean it's not crazy.
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And do you think the writers knew that?
To be honest I don't think the writers had any idea people would react as they did. With actual storylines in the show (time travel, alt universe, magic box, walt, cabin...hell actually almost any storyline) I fully realize the writers knew they'd get people talking regardless of what they did. But this wasn't anything like that. For all we know, they filmed that footage on day 1 on the set and had some leftover reel and were like "eh, just keep it and throw it in after the last episode". I really don't think they intentionally did it to frick with fans.
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And did that scene really add ANYTHING to the show? Of course you can talk about that brief moment of sentimentality that serious Lost fans would have had,
YOu answered for me. It was an homage, a tribute, a throwback. The final scene of the show is the exact same thing (well, in reverse) as the opening scene of the series. Is it that farfetched that they'd throw in a little hat tip to where the whole thing started?
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but it wasn't enough to say it was required viewing.
A hell of a lot of the show wasn't "required" viewing. Not every single scene and moment in 6 seasons had a momentous, significant impact on the story. In fact I would be pretty damn pissed if a 10 second clip that was aired while the final credits rolled WAS anything significant.
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I mean, simple questions, was that scene 100% certainly necessary to the show and plot or was it superfluous?
Of course it wasn't, the show was over!
Posted on 3/26/15 at 3:06 pm to Freauxzen
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Then the final image should have been something happier, or a picture of all of them walking or working together. Not the crash.
The producers put that in the final cut without the writers' knowledge. They did so to show how far the story had come and also without thinking that through, per later reports
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This post was edited on 3/26/15 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 3/26/15 at 3:07 pm to WG_Dawg
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Of course it wasn't, the show was over!
Or was it....
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