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Lost Writer Reveals Show's Complicated Creation

Posted on 3/26/15 at 9:07 am
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 3/26/15 at 9:07 am
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'There, now you know. Go with God.'


BTW read the bold


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Former Lost writer and producer Javier Grillo-Marxuach has written a highly informative essay looking back on the conception of the show and what it was like to be in the writers' room for the first two seasons. He also has a lot to say about the question of whether the show’s creators were "making it up as they went along," noting the answer is a complicated one, as is often the case for TV. With Lost, many notable elements fans would come to know as the series progressed were conceived very early on, even as the nature of doing an ongoing TV show also led to new elements being added all the time.

“The idea that there is a simple truth about the creation of Lost also begs to additional questions,” Grillo-Marxuach says in the lengthy and very detailed post on hiswebsite. “Did we ever know what the island was? And was it purgatory?”

“There was definitely a sort of ‘operational theory’ for what the island would be,” he writes, adding that there were strong differences of opinions on the concepts for the island. However, Grillo-Marxuach backs up Lost executive producer Carlton Cuse’s statement from the reunion last year that the characters were not in purgatory the whole time, despite some reading the ending as saying that.

Further into the post, Grillo-Marxuach addresses the world-building for Lost as production began on the pilot episode. The writers built a world, an ensemble of “flawed but interesting characters,” and placed them in situations where the characters would “bond and solve problems.” After those concepts were in place, the writers created pasts for the characters to provide a comparison of who they were before and after reaching the island.

Grillo-Marxuach goes into great detail about Jack’s character and the original plan to kill him off in the show's pilot episode - and how the network wouldn't allow it. As has been mentioned before, co-creator J.J. Abrams wanted Michael Keaton to play Jack, pretending to be a series regular (including doing promotion for the show), only to be killed in the show's first hour.

As Grillo-Marxuach notes, the network was also always scared of the show being too overtly sci-fi and serialized, which lead to the writers and producers initially doing all they could to disguise the sci-fi elements - even from their own corporate bosses. Walt, for instance, was a character who caused a lot of disagreements between the writers and the network and studio, who didn't want him to have psychic powers, even while the Lost writers felt he should.

There's also a lot of information on the process of how they would add new elements to the show and how Abrams' famous "mystery box" approach interweaved with Damon Lindelof wanting to hold off on introducing any new question until they had at least some idea what the answer to it could be. One notable example of this is the Hatch, which Abrams came up with the idea for and wanted to put into the series immediately. Instead, they waited until halfway through the first season because Lindelof (who was initially the sole showrunner, before Carlton Cuse then partnered with him) wanted to wait until they had some angles on what exactly was inside that hatch.

Grillo-Marxuach, who was first hired as part of a "think tank" for the show while Abrams and Lindelof were working on the pilot, writes, “We created an entire 747s worth of ideas, notions, fragments, complications, and concepts that would yield enough narrative fiction to last as long as our corporate overlords would demand to feed their need for profit and prestige. And then we made it all up as we went.”

Last year was a 10-year Lost reunion, in which Cuse, Lindelof and the cast looked back on the show. IGN also ranked all 133 episodes, spanning six seasons of the popular and polarizing TV show.

The complete essay by Grillo-Marxuach (who also created The Middleman and just joined the writing staff of The 100 for Season 3) is an engrossing read for both fans and critics of Lost, with a lot of new info on the show's conception and the roles J.J. Abrams, Damon Lindelof, Carlton Cuse and many others -- including Paul Dini, David Fury and Grillo-Marxuach himself -- played in those early days.


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This post was edited on 3/26/15 at 9:08 am
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 3/26/15 at 9:10 am to
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the characters were not in purgatory the whole time, despite some reading the ending as saying that.


It absolutely blows my mind that there are some people that could watch the entire series, or hell just the last 10 minutes, and still think that was the case. Those people don't deserve LOST.
Posted by Large Farva
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2013
8285 posts
Posted on 3/26/15 at 9:10 am to
Wow. I'm glad they didn't kill off Jack on the first episode.
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
150442 posts
Posted on 3/26/15 at 9:25 am to
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the characters were not in purgatory the whole time, despite some reading the ending as saying that.

fricking idiots.

Also:
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Grillo-Marxuach

I keep reading that as Groucho Marx every single time.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57183 posts
Posted on 3/26/15 at 9:25 am to
The show would have been 10 times better had they killed off jack in the first episode.

His constant whining dragged the show down.
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
20749 posts
Posted on 3/26/15 at 9:28 am to
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I keep reading that as Groucho Marx every single time.


Ha. I did the same thing
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46381 posts
Posted on 3/26/15 at 9:29 am to
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I keep reading that as Groucho Marx every single time.


Glad I'm not the only one
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86422 posts
Posted on 3/26/15 at 9:30 am to
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The show would have been 10 times better had they killed off jack in the first episode.

His constant whining dragged the show down


At least try to bait with better material.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57183 posts
Posted on 3/26/15 at 9:37 am to
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At least try to bait with better material.


Not bait. Matthew Fox almost ruined the character.

I've seen it 3+ times all the way through.

The best characters are (in no order other than the tiers)

Tier 1
Locke + MIB version
Jin
Sawyer
Ben
Desmond
Echo

Tier 2
Juliet
Christian
Charlie
Hurley
Sun
Sayid
Boone

Tier 3
Claire
Walt

Sucky Tier
Jack
Kate
Michael
Ana Lucia

And then everyone else
Posted by TDTGodfather
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
6169 posts
Posted on 3/26/15 at 9:39 am to
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Locke + MIB version
Jin
Sawyer
Ben
Desmond
Echo

this is a solid first tier, one can argue sayid belongs. but i'm not gonna lie, i think jin is an eyebrow raiser for 1st tier. i'd probably trade him for sayid.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86422 posts
Posted on 3/26/15 at 9:40 am to
Any list that has Smirkiet, jin, hurley, frickin boone, sun, and friggin waaaaaaaaaaaaalt above jack is simply wrong. Differences of opinion are fine, but it'd be like me saying "in my opinion, the sky is maroon". It just isn't correct.
This post was edited on 3/26/15 at 9:42 am
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57183 posts
Posted on 3/26/15 at 9:41 am to
Jin has a great arc - the Jin you first see is a hard case chauvinistic butthole.

Then he becomes the fun loving loyal friend/comic relief

Then he becomes the heroic romantic
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
27405 posts
Posted on 3/26/15 at 10:00 am to
I'm struggling internally with not having Charlie in tier 1.

I think I can accept that my memory of his overall performance is jaded because of how he went out, but there's definitely some cognitive dissonance over it.
Posted by MasCervezas
Ocean Springs
Member since Jul 2013
7958 posts
Posted on 3/26/15 at 10:04 am to
Charlie sucked IMO

Jin4lyfe
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
25844 posts
Posted on 3/26/15 at 10:07 am to
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It absolutely blows my mind that there are some people that could watch the entire series, or hell just the last 10 minutes, and still think that was the case. Those people don't deserve LOST.


I enjoyed the show. I didn't care enough about it to debate what really happened. I never though they were in purgatory the whole time but I did think they were in purgatory in the last season, was that not the case?
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86422 posts
Posted on 3/26/15 at 10:12 am to
Check the quote again:

quote:

the characters were not in purgatory the whole time, despite some reading the ending as saying that.


We're talking about people who

a)thought they were in purgatory the whole time, like from the start of the series
b)thought that based on the ending, I'm assuming that's referring to the final after credit scene with the beach wreckage.

you aren't in that group.
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
25844 posts
Posted on 3/26/15 at 10:17 am to
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you aren't in that group.





But were they in purgatory at least for the last season?
Posted by Melvin
Member since Apr 2011
23535 posts
Posted on 3/26/15 at 10:21 am to
So what exactly is a not so idiotic explanation of where they were at the end?
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86422 posts
Posted on 3/26/15 at 10:28 am to
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But were they in purgatory at least for the last season?


You could say season 6 was somewhat of a purgatory. It was an alternate timeline where the losties went after death while waiting on each other to pass through to the afterlife together. OML will have to explain it better but that's kind of a broad view of it. But absolutely nothing from seasons 1-5 has anything even remotely related to purgatory in it. People just saw that last 10 second clip and determined that THAT alone meant that they were actually dead from the initial crash. Which could not possibly be more wrong.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
108098 posts
Posted on 3/26/15 at 10:31 am to
I'm reading through the whole thing, and look at this page they turned into ABC on whether each episode would be self-contained:





Maybe the biggest lie ever pitched.
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